He has revealed this in scripture. revealed truth belongs to believers.
Galatians 3 is speaking of who is justified, everyone knows that.
If you cannot see that, you are not prepared to discuss this.
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Vote to bar churches with women pastors fails again at SBC Annual Meeting
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Galatians 3 is speaking of who is justified, everyone knows that.
If you cannot see that, you are not prepared to discuss this.
Silverhair
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Why did you jump from women being able to lead to justification?
Try to stay with the topic of the thread @Zaatar71.
Even when you look at justification all believers are equal in the eyes of God are we not?
So going back to the thread who are you oh man to tell God who He can have preach His word. Did you forget that God is sovereign?
Now if you do not understand that they you are not prepared to discuss this topic.
9Marksist Mike Law, author of the constitutional amendment, has a problem with that. He specifically worded the amendment to disfellowship any church with a woman "as any kind of pastor".
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I did not jump to justification. You foolishly went to Gal.3 in post 14 because you were unable to deal with the clear teaching of 1 tim2:11-15
Paul could not have written it any clearer. God has instructed believers who can and who cannot preach His word. I believe what God has written and know that God has no women preaching in His Church.
Silverhair
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How foolish of me to actually think that we are all equal in Christ.
I actually believe that God is sovereign and that He can choose whom He wants to preach His gospel message.
But then again I believe a number of things the bible says that you do not, but we can leave that to another time.
I actually believe that God is sovereign and that He can choose whom He wants to preach His gospel message.
But then again I believe a number of things the bible says that you do not, but we can leave that to another time.
Once again Silverhair cannot face the truth of Scripture, so he retreats into his own fantasy version of scripture. He invents a god who does whatever Silverhair wants him to do. No thanks SH. We follow the biblical truths of scripture.
Silverhair
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So you resort to Ad Hominem.
That you do not believe that the sovereign God can do as He chooses says quite a bit about what you believe.
You suggested I do not believe the bible. I just responded to your ungodly post. You have no need to to answer to what I post. You are not equipped to do so. God has already made known His will in scripture. There are no women preachers. There is election unto salvation, there is the doctrines of grace, that you do not understand or believe. I am just responding to your attacks upon actual Christians.
Silverhair
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You mean there are no women preachers in your C/R churches. For a group that says that God is sovereign you sure do not act as if He were sovereign. Or did you mean He's sovereign over the things you say He can be?
We are elect once we are in Christ, not before that as the C/R wrongly posit.
Your so called DoG should be called the doctrines of disgrace as you destroy the truth and character of God.
I am not suggesting that you do not believe the bible I am stating clearly that you do not. You have taken the word of God and ran it through a pagan philosophy from the 4th century and come up with an abomination called TULIP/DoG.
Silverhair
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If they deny clear scripture are we supposed to just ignore it or point it out?
That is not trying to make debate points, that is standing for the word of God.
To deny clear scripture is to not believe that clear scripture.
But since you do not like the words "not believing Scripture" what words would suggest in that case?
Silverhair
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So you continue to put forward the same false narrative that all C/R's do.
You have to modify the word of God to fit your philosophy.
FYI I have looked at the basis of the calvinist religion and it starts with augustine bringing pagan philosophy into the church. Perhaps you should do a bit more study to see what you are supporting.
As I said to RSR if someone denies clear scripture can you really say they are believing the word of God?
So your telling me that women are saved through childbirth and works and not through faith in the risen son of God.
1Ti 2:15 Women, however, will be saved through childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.
You have to modify the word of God to fit your philosophy.
FYI I have looked at the basis of the calvinist religion and it starts with augustine bringing pagan philosophy into the church. Perhaps you should do a bit more study to see what you are supporting.
As I said to RSR if someone denies clear scripture can you really say they are believing the word of God?
So your telling me that women are saved through childbirth and works and not through faith in the risen son of God.
1Ti 2:15 Women, however, will be saved through childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.
David Lamb
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I think I understand your reasoning, but really it doesn't work like that. It's not only the issue of women pastors; there are several matters on which genuine, born again Christians differ. They hold the beliefs they do because that is what the believe God teaches in His word. Take the issue of baptism. Baptists believe that baptism is for Christian believers, yet Presbyterians think they should baptise babies. As a Baptist, I am not going to say, "Well, if Presbyterians believe that babies should be baptised, that must be because God has determined that they should believe that." Think of what the bible says about Pharaoh. The Lord hardened his heart, so that he did not let the Children of Israel go. Does that mean that we say he was performing a righteous act in not letting them go? Of course not! (And to avoid misunderstanding, I am certainly not comparing the issue of women pastors with Pharaoh.)
David Lamb
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Having a separate pastor for children is not something I see in the bible. If "children's pastor" is just another name for leading the outreach of a church to children, I suggest a better name be found.
I have my comfort zone and I have my biblically-based opinion, but I wouldn't force another church body to agree with me.
It's a grey area for me. I can understand those churches that support the option of women as ministers of the faith.
I'm fairly well read in the topic; In fact, I've got 7 books specifically on the topic of 'Women and Ministry'. [I received a newer one just last week sitting on my bed stand waiting for me to crack open and read (Gender as Love by Fellipe do Vale).]
My opinion: Unless you can provide a good argument against what you believe, you have not studied the subject enough to force others to agree with you.
Rob
It's a grey area for me. I can understand those churches that support the option of women as ministers of the faith.
I'm fairly well read in the topic; In fact, I've got 7 books specifically on the topic of 'Women and Ministry'. [I received a newer one just last week sitting on my bed stand waiting for me to crack open and read (Gender as Love by Fellipe do Vale).]
My opinion: Unless you can provide a good argument against what you believe, you have not studied the subject enough to force others to agree with you.
Rob