In What Sense Does The Spirit Enlighten All Mankind

[Van]

Dont you realize a natural man isnt spiritual at all ? A carnal acting believer is Spiritual, because he has the Spirit in him. Paul told the carnal believers of 1 Cor 3 this in Chapter 6 1 Cor 6:19

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Now explain how a unspiritual natural man understands spiritual food as milk ? Its still spiritual. Can you feed a gold fish milk from the breast of a women ? No, dont have the nature for the milk duh

On and on, addressing my comprehension, and running from scripture.
Address the carnally acting believer, and not the men of flesh. Obfuscation on display.

Everyone should comprehend Paul spoke as to "men of flesh" using spiritual milk. To deny this is an agenda driven effort to nullify scripture.

Men of flesh, many of them, seek the spiritual milk of the narrow door.

Why is this truth not addresses?

 

[Brightfame52]

On and on, addressing my comprehension, and running from scripture.
Address the carnally acting believer, and not the men of flesh. Obfuscation on display.

Everyone should comprehend Paul spoke as to "men of flesh" using spiritual milk. To deny this is an agenda driven effort to nullify scripture.

Men of flesh, many of them, seek the spiritual milk of the narrow door.

Why is this truth not addresses?

You want a spiritually dead sinner in the flesh, to understand spiritually things a spiritually alive person does understand spiritually The natural man cannot know/understand the things of the Spirit of God 1 Cor 2:14 Milk is of the Spirit of God, its scripture truth produced by the Spirit of God

 

[Van]

You want a spiritually dead sinner in the flesh, to understand spiritually things a spiritually alive person does understand spiritually The natural man cannot know/understand the things of the Spirit of God 1 Cor 2:14 Milk is of the Spirit of God, its scripture truth produced by the Spirit of God

I want you to address why Paul spoke to new Christians in the same way he spoke to men of flesh. This seems too much to ask.

Many spiritually dead sinners seek the spiritual milk narrow door, clearly teaching what you clearly deny.

God said salvation does not depend on the person who wills, clearly teaching what you deny.

People are led to Christ by God's word, clearly teaching what you deny.

The rich young ruler was seeking eternal life, clearly teaching what you deny.

Soils 2 and 3 of Matthew 13 were seeking God, yet were not saved, clearly teaching what you deny.

The Baptist distinctive of "Soul Liberty" clearly teaches what you deny.

But there is a kind of people who are unable to grasp spiritual milk, perhaps some of them will agree with you....

 

[Brightfame52]

I want you to address why Paul spoke to new Christians in the same way he spoke to men of flesh. This seems too much to ask.

Many spiritually dead sinners seek the spiritual milk narrow door, clearly teaching what you clearly deny.

God said salvation does not depend on the person who wills, clearly teaching what you deny.

People are led to Christ by God's word, clearly teaching what you deny.

The rich young ruler was seeking eternal life, clearly teaching what you deny.

Soils 2 and 3 of Matthew 13 were seeking God, yet were not saved, clearly teaching what you deny.

The Baptist distinctive of "Soul Liberty" clearly teaches what you deny.

But there is a kind of people who are unable to grasp spiritual milk, perhaps some of them will agree with you....

All this is fantasy, How can a spiritually dead person, desire and seek after spiritual food/milk ? None by nature seek God Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

[Van]

All this is fantasy, How can a spiritually dead person, desire and seek after spiritual food/milk ? None by nature seek God Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

On and on, this poster posts non-germane nonsense. The many seeking the narrow door is now falsely claimed to not be seeking after God. I kid you not.

 

[Van]

For the umpteenth time, "none that seeks after God" does NOT mean "none that ever seeks after God." When people are sinning they are not seeking after God, thus none seek after God all the time or when sinning is the contextual scope of the phrase.

Paul, under inspiration, repurposed this statement from the OT, to support the truth that we all under sin.

 

[Brightfame52]

On and on, this poster posts non-germane nonsense. The many seeking the narrow door is now falsely claimed to not be seeking after God. I kid you not.

You want to feed a gold fish dog food. Does a gold fish desire the milk of a dog ? Or do you have to be her pup first ?

The milk of the word is to the new born babe, look at the context here. 1 Pet 2:2

2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

He is writing to them who had been born again and heard the Gospel preached to them 1 Pet 1:23-2:1

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

2 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,

They were first born again of incorruptible seed, the Logos of God, then the Gospel rehema was preached to them as born again, and its as new born believers they have a desire for the milk of the word.

This has nothing to do with the natural man who cant know the things of the Spirit of God, heck he dont even desire them, because HE IS NOT Spiritual !

 

[Van]

For the umpteenth time, "none that seeks after God" does NOT mean "none that ever seeks after God." When people are sinning they are not seeking after God, thus none seek after God all the time or when sinning is the contextual scope of the phrase.

Paul, under inspiration, repurposed this statement from the OT, to support the truth that we all under sin.

The context is Paul spoke to new Christians the same way he spoke to men of flesh using spiritual milk.

 

[Brightfame52]

The context is Paul spoke to new Christians the same way he spoke to men of flesh using spiritual milk.

It does mean none ever seeks after God while under sin. Now if you talking about a saved person, yeah they seek after God, but Rom 3:11 is about a lost person

 

[Van]

It does mean none ever seeks after God while under sin. Now if you talking about a saved person, yeah they seek after God, but Rom 3:11 is about a lost person

Yet another falsehood, the claim that the many seeking but not finding the narrow door were saved.

Folks, stack up the false claims, at some point they will collapse like a house of cards.

Those seeking the narrow door were not seeking God.

The narrow door is not a spiritual thing.

Those seeking the narrow door were already saved.

I could go on but you should get the idea...

 

[Brightfame52]

Yet another falsehood, the claim that the many seeking but not finding the narrow door were saved.

Folks, stack up the false claims, at some point they will collapse like a house of cards.

Those seeking the narrow door were not seeking God.

The narrow door is not a spiritual thing.

Those seeking the narrow door were already saved.

I could go on but you should get the idea...

Yes it means man by nature never seeks God. Thats why its wrote point blank " Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

And I already said, if someone does seek God they are already saved, they are not the natural man. When it comes to the natural man under sin, point blank None Seek after God. Yes the narrow way is spiritual, so the ones seeking the narrow way are already saved. The natural man seeking the broad way, which is most of mankind, the non elect, in reality they are not seeking the True God

 

[Van]

Yes it means man by nature never seeks God. Thats why its wrote point blank " Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

And I already said, if someone does seek God they are already saved, they are not the natural man. When it comes to the natural man under sin, point blank None Seek after God. Yes the narrow way is spiritual, so the ones seeking the narrow way are already saved. The natural man seeking the broad way, which is most of mankind, the non elect, in reality they are not seeking the True God

Such obvious nonsense, you know what Luke 13;24 says, they are seeking God, they understand some spiritual things, such as the narrow door, and they do not find it, so they were not saved.

And still you did not explain why Paul used spiritual milk to speak to "men of flesh."

 

[Brightfame52]

Such obvious nonsense, you know what Luke 13;24 says, they are seeking God, they understand some spiritual things, such as the narrow door, and they do not find it, so they were not saved.

And still you did not explain why Paul used spiritual milk to speak to "men of flesh."

If a person is seeking the true God, they have already been apprended by God and saved. They are already blessed [saved] with a hunger and thirst for righteousness of God outside of themselves Matt 5:6

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

 

[Van]

If a person is seeking the true God, they have already been apprended by God and saved. They are already blessed [saved] with a hunger and thirst for righteousness of God outside of themselves Matt 5:6

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Once again, this poster ignores and denies Luke 13:24. This is all they have, folks, endless claims that scripture does not mean what it says.

Not Luke, 13:24, not 2 Thessalonians 2:13, not James 2:5, not 1 Timothy 2:6, and on and on.

They make claims like the rich young ruler was saved because he sought eternal life. On an on folks, the totality of their denial is mind-boggling.

 

[Brightfame52]

Once again, this poster ignores and denies Luke 13:24. This is all they have, folks, endless claims that scripture does not mean what it says.

Not Luke, 13:24, not 2 Thessalonians 2:13, not James 2:5, not 1 Timothy 2:6, and on and on.

They make claims like the rich young ruler was saved because he sought eternal life. On an on folks, the totality of their denial is mind-boggling.

lol, now what you going to say ? When a person seeks God its because they are blessedly saved and now hunger and thirst after righteousness, the right way. Its God that saved them and blessed them that causes it.

 

[Van]

lol, now what you going to say ? When a person seeks God its because they are blessedly saved and now hunger and thirst after righteousness, the right way. Its God that saved them and blessed them that causes it.

Once again, this poster ignores and denies Luke 13:24. This is all they have, folks, endless claims that scripture does not mean what it says.
Not Luke, 13:24, not 2 Thessalonians 2:13, not James 2:5, not 1 Timothy 2:6, and on and on.
They make claims like the rich young ruler was saved because he sought eternal life. On an on folks, the totality of their denial is mind-boggling.

 

[Brightfame52]

Once again, this poster ignores and denies Luke 13:24. This is all they have, folks, endless claims that scripture does not mean what it says.
Not Luke, 13:24, not 2 Thessalonians 2:13, not James 2:5, not 1 Timothy 2:6, and on and on.
They make claims like the rich young ruler was saved because he sought eternal life. On an on folks, the totality of their denial is mind-boggling.

A person by nature doesnt seek, desire, thirst after God Rom 3:11 so if a person does start seeking after, desiriing, thirsting after God, they have been saved, blessed. Matt 5:6

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

They are blessed because normally men dont do that. Gods blessing causes it Ps 24 5-6

5 He shall receive the blessing from the Lord, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.

6 This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.

 

[Van]

A person by nature doesnt seek, desire, thirst after God Rom 3:11 so if a person does start seeking after, desiriing, thirsting after God, they have been saved, blessed. Matt 5:6

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

They are blessed because normally men dont do that. Gods blessing causes it Ps 24 5-6

5 He shall receive the blessing from the Lord, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.

6 This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.

Yet another denial that many seek the narrow door. I cannot believe any local church would not engage in correction.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yet another denial that many seek the narrow door. I cannot believe any local church would not engage in correction.

Whenever a person seeks the True God, they are saved, blessed of God to hunger and seek after righteousness, and they shall be filled. Man by nature doesnt seek after God Rom 3:11, now he may seek a god, but its on the broad road of destruction. Its like this with man by nature Prov 14 12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man[by nature], but the end thereof are the ways of death.

 

[Paleouss]

Paul was addressing those acting as IF they were still in the flesh, not saying unsaved can receiving spiritual truths

Greetings JesusFan. I hope your week is off to a good start.

Just looking through some of these posts of everyone . Thought I might inquire with you regarding some verses that are in question. As I think you know, I am more in line with you than Van. I am clearly not an Open Theist. However, on some verses, I'm with Van.

Regarding 1Cor 3:2...

1Cor 3:1-2 NKJV) 1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual [people] but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able [to receive it], and even now you are still not able;

It seems to me that Paul clearly says that he spoke to the people he was addressing as if they were carnal minded. For he says, "could not speak to you as to spiritual people" and then says he spoke to them as if they were "carnal" people. Now, carnal minded people, even if saved, are not spiritual minded people (for they are carnal minded).

Therefore, if the lost are carnal minded (which they are, otherwise they would be spiritually minded). Then 1Cor 3:1-2 seems to clearly suggest that Paul was feeding these saved, carnal minded, people the same as he would the unsaved carnal minded. And what he says he feeds carnal minded people, is "milk" (1Cor 3:2). Of course it also seems clear in 1Cor 3:1-2 that Paul is saying that carnal minded people, even if saved, cannot be fed meat or solid spiritual food (which fits nicely with 1Cor 2:14).

It seems to me the obvious answer to the question, "could God give spiritual milk to the lost if He so chose?", is a resounding yes! So the question is, "does Scipture tell us that God did so choose to give some spiritual milk to the lost"? This 'spiritual milk' must be distinguished from spiritual meat or solid foods. The carnal minded, either saved or unsaved, cannot ingest solid spiritual foods.

It seems that there are verses that would suggest that God does give some form of milk to all the lost, which are carnal minded. The sower parable is anther good example of this. However, here I disagree with Van that the Spirit is not involved. (2Co 9:10 NKJV) 10 Now may He who supplies seed to the sower, and bread for food, supply and multiply the seed you have [sown] and increase the fruits of your righteousness,

Regarding 1Cor 2:14...

(1Cor 2:14 NKJV) 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

The two words I put in red, above, are the main points of contention in this verse, imo. Many, it would seem, think this word means "to acquire" as in "posses" or "not given". In other words, the natural man does not acquire, because they are not given, the things of the Spirit of God. But this word does not mean that, imo. It means, does "not accept" (like the ESV and NASB translation). Meaning, the natural man rejects the things of the Spirit of God. I think we all here would agree with this statement regardless of how we translate this verse, i.e., that the natural man rejects the things of the Spirit of God.

However, the various forms of what they are getting and rejecting is shown in the parable of the sower.

This understanding of 1Cor 2:14 then fits very nicely with 1Cor 3:1-2. It doesn't deny God's sovereignty because God is the author of this milk (that is a "spiritual thing" that the natural man does not accept (as in rejects). God provides this seed (2Cor 9:10), God uses the vessel, all for His work and the heaping of coals upon the unbelieving that reject Him.

Peace to you brother.