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IF you were not right now a Baptist, what would be a Church or group could see attending then?
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Well said!
One that believes what the Bible says. God can remember no more forever, rather than God must know everything imaginable.
One that believes God is not the author of sin, rather than one that believes God predestined our sin, directly or indirectly.
One that believes Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all humanity, not just for those to be saved.
One that believes God chooses individuals during their lifetime based on crediting their faith as righteousness.
One that believes John 3:16, that the opportunity for salvation is available per the gospel to even the worse sort of sinner, like me.
One that believes God is not the author of sin, rather than one that believes God predestined our sin, directly or indirectly.
One that believes Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all humanity, not just for those to be saved.
One that believes God chooses individuals during their lifetime based on crediting their faith as righteousness.
One that believes John 3:16, that the opportunity for salvation is available per the gospel to even the worse sort of sinner, like me.
This is not an easy question.
Each denomination can be as diverse as Baptists are. None of these statements are based on any reliable amount of experience.
I have heard Presbyterians who sound biblical. They are probably few and far between. Methodists the same way.
I have found that rural communities tend to be more concerned with the Word of God in this respect. Most other denominations are tied to an organization. I don't have statistics here but I think that the denomination with the most independent churches would be Baptists. I know there are many Baptists in some kind of association. I also know that associations are hard to shake off. When an association counts you in there number and you tell them they have non-biblical standings and you don't want to be associated with them anymore, you are affecting their statistics negatively and they are more likely to leave you on their roles.
All that to say, organizations and associations have a record of championing social movements, especially in recent years. It has been done for a long time but recently it has been so blatantly unbiblical it is hard to miss. Problems with denominations and associations is rarely ever not related to money. If a little rural church tells the association that they are leaving, outside of financial leverage like loans, they will do nothing to keep you. If you offer an upfront payment on any kind of financial interest they own, I have never heard them keep a church and send the money away.
These kinds of obvious problems are less likely in smaller rural churches where finances are not being tied into the picture as much.
I don't agree with Presbyterians or Methodists on several issues, but I would not be afraid to walk into a non-baptist church given the circumstances. there are several Baptist churches that I would not attend until the last non-baptist church option had been exhausted.
There are a few churches I would not try.
Each denomination can be as diverse as Baptists are. None of these statements are based on any reliable amount of experience.
I have heard Presbyterians who sound biblical. They are probably few and far between. Methodists the same way.
I have found that rural communities tend to be more concerned with the Word of God in this respect. Most other denominations are tied to an organization. I don't have statistics here but I think that the denomination with the most independent churches would be Baptists. I know there are many Baptists in some kind of association. I also know that associations are hard to shake off. When an association counts you in there number and you tell them they have non-biblical standings and you don't want to be associated with them anymore, you are affecting their statistics negatively and they are more likely to leave you on their roles.
All that to say, organizations and associations have a record of championing social movements, especially in recent years. It has been done for a long time but recently it has been so blatantly unbiblical it is hard to miss. Problems with denominations and associations is rarely ever not related to money. If a little rural church tells the association that they are leaving, outside of financial leverage like loans, they will do nothing to keep you. If you offer an upfront payment on any kind of financial interest they own, I have never heard them keep a church and send the money away.
These kinds of obvious problems are less likely in smaller rural churches where finances are not being tied into the picture as much.
I don't agree with Presbyterians or Methodists on several issues, but I would not be afraid to walk into a non-baptist church given the circumstances. there are several Baptist churches that I would not attend until the last non-baptist church option had been exhausted.
There are a few churches I would not try.
Clearly, someone who denies scripture after scripture.
David Lamb
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Baptist churches vary greatly in their beliefs and practices, so even if there was a Baptist church close by, I would want to check that it viewed the bible as its authority for faith and practice.
I don’t even like most Baptist churches these days…too polluted to justify fellowship with them. So my answer is nothing but I do profess to believe inmost Primitive Baptists …mostly in Florida.
New Jersey today is essentially a wasteland secular desert…you would be surprised to find mostly the elderly , who are aging out, then some die hard Fundamentalist's then a smattering of women so conditioned to going to Church that they go out of habit. And that’s it….essentially dead churches holding on for the second coming.
Perish the thought!
Before becoming Baptist, was part of a local Evangelical Free Church for awhile, and would say very Baptist like in theology and practices, but in the "free will Baptist" tradition
Good point, as being a Calvinist or holding to free will would determine which church for many
My father-in-law’s church has three pastors. They are just about evenly divided on the issue.
The elders in the church are not so evenly matched. Their bylaws are not Calvinist and they ended up saying to the Calvinists that they were welcome to come but were not welcome to teach their Calvinist doctrine because it disagrees with the statement of faith of the church. They said more than that. But in the interest of staying on topic I I won’t say more.Several Calvinists left because of this.
It definitely is an issue for some people.
My Baptist church 2 main pastors are what I would consider "evangelicals armianists", while some on Elder board are Calvinists alsoMy father-in-law’s church has three pastors. They are just about evenly divided on the issue.
Several Calvinists left because of this.
It definitely is an issue for some people.
This could actually be two questions!
1) which would I attend - there are several I would consider attending
2) Which would I join? whole different story
But I might consider Plan Charlie - Start a home Bible study - with the possibly of starting a new church
1) which would I attend - there are several I would consider attending
2) Which would I join? whole different story
But I might consider Plan Charlie - Start a home Bible study - with the possibly of starting a new church
Amen! That's the proper answer.
Once again, this poster ignores and denies Luke 13:24. This is all they have, folks, endless claims that scripture does not mean what it says.
Not Luke, 13:24, not 2 Thessalonians 2:13, not James 2:5, not 1 Timothy 2:6, and on and on.
They make claims like the rich young ruler was saved because he sought eternal life. On an on folks, the totality of their denial is mind-boggling.