Should For ever be attached to what?

[KJB1611reader]

 

[Logos1560]

Concerning Hebrews 10:12, KJV-only author David Daniels asserted: “So the King James rightly said Jesus’ one sacrifice for sins was forever. The Geneva instead says that Jesus offered one sacrifice for sins, then set down forever. But anyone can see this is false, when we compare it to Stephen’s visions of heaven, as being stoned to death in Acts 7:55-56” (Can You Trust Just One Bible, ebook without page numbers). The placement of the comma in Hebrews 10:12 would change the understanding or interpretation of the verse.

Evidently David Daniels is unaware of the fact that beginning with the 1638 Cambridge standard edition of the KJV until a London edition printed by George Eyre and Andrew Spottiswoode in 1838, most KJV editions had the comma after “sins” and before “forever sat down.” For two hundred years, the presentation or punctuation that David Daniels condemned as false was standard in most KJV editions. The standard 1762 Cambridge KJV edition and the standard 1769 Oxford KJV edition still had the comma after “sins” and before “forever sat down.”

 

[KJB1611reader]

Concerning Hebrews 10:12, KJV-only author David Daniels asserted: “So the King James rightly said Jesus’ one sacrifice for sins was forever. The Geneva instead says that Jesus offered one sacrifice for sins, then set down forever. But anyone can see this is false, when we compare it to Stephen’s visions of heaven, as being stoned to death in Acts 7:55-56” (Can You Trust Just One Bible, ebook without page numbers). The placement of the comma in Hebrews 10:12 would change the understanding or interpretation of the verse.

Evidently David Daniels is unaware of the fact that beginning with the 1638 Cambridge standard edition of the KJV until a London edition printed by George Eyre and Andrew Spottiswoode in 1838, most KJV editions had the comma after “sins” and before “forever sat down.” For two hundred years, the presentation or punctuation that David Daniels condemned as false was standard in most KJV editions. The standard 1762 Cambridge KJV edition and the standard 1769 Oxford KJV edition still had the comma after “sins” and before “forever sat down.”

Thanks very much for another reason why I use the PCE and not a 1769.

Also, 1611 had it right here.

Thanks,

Shawn

 

[Logos1560]

Thanks very much for another reason why I use the PCE and not a 1769.

Also, 1611 had it right here.

Are you admitting that KJV editions for 200 years [from 1638 until 1838] were wrong?

If KJV editions were wrong for 200 years according to your assertion, you make no positive, clear, sound, coherent, convincing, true, and scriptural case for suggesting that they should be blindly accepted as right today.

 

[KJB1611reader]

Are you admitting that KJV editions for 200 years [from 1638 until 1838] were wrong?

If KJV editions were wrong for 200 years according to your assertion, you make no positive, clear, sound, coherent, convincing, true, and scriptural case for suggesting that they should be blindly accepted as right today.

Yes.

 

[Logos1560]

Yes.

In other words, you are admitting that God has not chosen to keep editions of the KJV from having errors.

Errors can still be found in the many varying editions of the KJV today.

 

[KJB1611reader]

In other words, you are admitting that God has not chosen to keep editions of the KJV from having errors.

Errors can still be found in the many varying editions of the KJV today.

No, every book is like that. As I said, I believe the PCE is the final.perfected version.

 

[Logos1560]

As I said, I believe the PCE is the final.perfected version.

Your blind belief in human opinions does not make them become true.

There are inconsistencies and imperfections in the human claimed PCE. God has not declared the so-called PCE to be absolutely pure and perfect.

 

[KJB1611reader]

Your blind belief in human opinions does not make them become true.

There are inconsistencies and imperfections in the human claimed PCE. God has not declared the so-called PCE to be absolutely pure and perfect.

I will not discuss this anymore.

Brother Steven Avery's research on this verse has shown that church writer references that support the reading "book of life" are:

Ambrose (c 390 AD)

Bachiarius (c 420)

Andreas of Cappadocia (c 500)

Primasius of Adrumentum (552 AD) - Commentary on Revelation

Speculum treatise (mss c. 8th century, many consider as Augustine 427 AD origin)

Haymo of Halberstadt (9th century) - Commentary on Revelation

Pseudo-Augustine (1160)

Among the ancient Bible versions that also support "book of life" are the following:

Bohairic Coptic

Old Latin line

Latin Vulgate (some read "book" and others have "tree") auferet Deus partem ejus de libro vitæ, et de civitate sancta,

Armenian

Ethiopic

Arabic

Tepl

Andreas of Caesarea (Greek: Ἀνδρέας Καισαρείας; 563 – 637)

Andreas of Caesarea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

was a Greek theological writer and bishop of Caesarea in Cappadocia... His principal work is a commentary on the Book of Revelation (Patrologia Graeca vol. 106, cols. 215–458 and 1387–94) and is the oldest Greek patristic commentary on that book of the Bible... his commentary was preserved in nearly 100 complete Greek manuscripts, as well in translation in numerous Armenian and Slavic manuscripts. Andrew's most important contribution was that he preserved many existing Eastern traditions associated with Revelation, both oral and written. His commentary was so influential that it preserved a specific text type for Revelation, known as the Andreas type.

Primasius of Hadrumetum (died around 560 A.D.)

Primasius of Hadrumetum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

End of discussion.