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Infants in Heaven

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Dale-c

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annsni said:
First off, the Bible doesn't state that babies go to heaven. We have David who was assured that his own son would go to heaven, absolutely. Does that make it a fact? I don't think so - but maybe he did know something we don't.

God chose to not tell us for a fact that a baby or young child will go to heaven when they die BUT, we do know that God is just and merciful. IF a child goes to hell, it is for the right reason. God knows their hearts, their minds, their souls and we don't. If He chooses to bring them to heaven, it is because of His grace and mercy - and because of the blood of Jesus.

To me, this is another case of where the doctrine of grace comes in. I do not believe that we are saved because of anything we do but it is fully God. IF we say that we must do something to be saved, and that God cannot go against man's will, then by logic, babies should go to hell because they did not choose God. Unless one feels that God does give them a choice in some way, I don't know. But for one who believes that it is God who makes the choice and we respond to that choice, then I can absolutely see babies going to heaven because it is God's doing, not ours.
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Ann there is not much for me to add to this. I think the thread was pretty much done at this point :)
 
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OldRegular

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Aaron said:
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me . . . dwelleth no good thing
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It is a stretch too far to get the idea that man is sin from that passage. You take the quote out of context anyhow. The verse reads as follows:

Romans 7:18. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
 
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Jim1999

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so, what does QUOTE: dwelleth no good thing...MEAN?

Are we "born in sin and trespasses" or not?

"For as in Adam ALL sinned........"

If any infant makes it to heaven it is by the grace of God and apart from what scripture teaches about repentance and faith.

Cheers,

Jim
 
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MB

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Magnetic Poles said:
So here is your problem then. This makes TWO ways to get to heaven.

1. Faith in Christ
2. Die while an infant

Yet the Bible clearly says the only way is through Christ
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Hell must be full of innocent babies then. Suffering for they don't even know what or why. If men aren't responsible for another's sin. Then pray tell what sins does a baby have? A babe knows nothing of the Law which I thought always condemned the guilty righteously. Explain how it could condemn the innocent in spite of complete ignorance.
If I had a baby that died and knew it was condemned to hell for absolutle nothing because it knew nothing of the Law. I would never be able to agree that God is Just and rightouesly so. "Where there is no Law there is no transgression" Rom 4:15 when a babe has no understanding of the Law he has no Law. There fore there is no transgression. Your view has God sending the innocent to hell because of there inability to know and understand. Don't you think that makes God a murder of innocence?
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Aaron

Aaron

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OldRegular said:
It is a stretch too far to get the idea that man is sin from that passage. You take the quote out of context anyhow. The verse reads as follows:

Romans 7:18. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
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I didn't take it out of context. The parenthetical expression wasn't needed. Here's a paraphrase: "If I were not filled with the Holy Spirit then there would be nothing good in me. Without the Spirit, I am wholly depraved."

All humans, except those who are partakers of the Divine Nature by grace through faith, are wholly depraved. No good thing dwells in them. They don't simply do evil, they ARE evil.
 
Aaron

Aaron

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MB said:
Hell must be full of innocent babies then. Suffering for they don't even know what or why. If men aren't responsible for another's sin. Then pray tell what sins does a baby have? A babe knows nothing of the Law which I thought always condemned the guilty righteously. Explain how it could condemn the innocent in spite of complete ignorance.
If I had a baby that died and knew it was condemned to hell for absolutle nothing because it knew nothing of the Law. I would never be able to agree that God is Just and rightouesly so. "Where there is no Law there is no transgression" Rom 4:15 when a babe has no understanding of the Law he has no Law. There fore there is no transgression. Your view has God sending the innocent to hell because of there inability to know and understand. Don't you think that makes God a murder of innocence?
MB
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So your theology isn't shaped by the Scriptures, it's shaped by how agreeable you think it is to your own impressions of justice?
 
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Jim1999

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The human person is not condemned by what he did, but by who he is. The law has nothing to do with it. We are saved by grace, through faith, and this not of yourself, but the gift of God. When I give a gift, it is my choice and not the recipient. So it is with God and the gift of salvation. I do not earn it. He benefits my by His choice from eternity past.

I feel sorry for every "good" person that dies without Christ. That is my emotion and has nothing to do with the decrees of God.

Don't let your emotions determine what God has said, or we would surely do away hell, and we wold preach a universal salvation based on good works.

Cheers,

Jim
 
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