Duggars expecting child #19

The Dugger's are associated with the "Quiverfull Movement", which, IMO, presents an irresponsible view of procreation by abusing the scriptural verse "children are a blessing from the Lord". Although I'm an advocate of people being allowed to raise their children as they see fit, some of the Dugger's Christian view are a little extreme. For example, the family's adult daughters are not permitted to leave home until they are married, and are not permitted to attend college, believing this to be a sin (despite the lack of biblical support for these positions).

 

It 's their life and their family.

Does anyone have any evidence any of the children are mistreated or mal-adjusted?

Is the government supporting them?

If no one has a concrete yes to either of those questions, you have no right to condemn them at all.

 

I noted that. They're allowed to live their lives however they want, even if they're being irresponsible. I dont' believe anyone questions that.

Mistreated or maladjusted, probably not. Are there issues of irresponsibility? Most definitely. First of all, the mother is incapable of raising the children without help. She requires the help of the older children to take care of the younger ones. They also require children to "block out" time if they want to have time with their parents. This is an indicator that they have too many children than they can make time for. Additionally, they forbid their adult female children from attending college, and forbid them from even leaving the house to live on their own. This, plus their willingness to not prevent further pregnancy, is an indicator of their misapplication of scripture.

So, in short, is there abuse or neglect going on? Probably not. Is there irresponsibility of the household and perversion of scripture? Absolutely.

 

Requiring the older children to help with the younger children is neither abuse, neglect or irresponsible.

 

I'd bet the Duggars have amore closely knit and loving family than the vast majority of Americans do. You people actually have a problem with the teenagers helping to care for the younger children? A problem with the teenagers cooking the meals? It's no wonder the children of today think everything should be handed to them on a silver platter. Go back a hundred years and everything you are bringing up is the norm and families were much better off because of it.

I do have a problem with the no college for girls thing, but the other things you mention are good things...not bad.

 

Requiring children to help raise our own children, because you had too many children, is irresponsible. And continuing to have more children when you need help raising the ones you've got is even mroe irresponsible.

 

You can keep repeating it, but it doesn't make it so. It might make you feel better though.

 

Amen, and amen.

 

No one is questioning their close-knittedness. You can be close-knit, and still be an irresponsible parent.

A hundred years ago, women often didn't live long enough to have 19 kids. But if you're talking about the norm, norms change. It was the norm for people not to know how to read or write 100 years ago. That doesn't mean it's responsible for parents not to allow their kids to read or write today.

 

ummm...no its not. Family is family and it teaches a good work ethic, to love your family, how to serve others and a number of other things. This new hyper sensitive concern for children working these days is ridiculous. These liberal ideologies are contributing to the destruction of the Family. I say good for the Duggars. God Bless them and their family.

 

You can keep repeating the line "they're not irresponsible" but that doesn't make it so, even if it makes you feel better.

No one is questioning the fact that giving children chores and duties teaches good work ethic. In fact, most here would say NOT giving children chores is irresponsible (yet I doubt many would say 'it's their life, they can raise their children any way they want' in that case).

This is a case of parents giving children childrearing duties because the parents are incapable of doing it themselves.

 

And no one presents any evidence of abuse or neglect. To the contrary , all evidence points to the children being more responsible and more productive than most of the current generation.

Studiess show that large families are more close knit, loving and responsible than 1 or 2 children families. What we have here are responsible parents that could give all of us lessons on how to raise a family.

Just because I don't believe I'm capable of doing what they do, and most of the others here don't believe they are either, doesn't mean the Duggars can't an don't do a good job.

All the evidence tells a different story.

 

Without a doubt such actions are child abuse. Normally people on this board condemn Muslims when they hear about the abuse of women by them.

 

I agree 100%.

 

I'll have to respectfully disagree here. Forbidding your child who is over 18 from leaving the house, and from attendng college, is an abuse of parental authority, but it is not child abuse.

You make a good point. I suspect they are being defended because they are Christians. If they were muslims, atheists, or mormons, I wonder if the same grace would be present.

 

The difference is that if one of the Duggar girls did disobey and went to college, I doubt she would be stoned to death. A muslim girl doing the same is likely to be a dead muslim girl.

 

• Main Entry: 1abuse
• Pronunciation: \ə-ˈbyüs\
• Function: noun
• Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French abus, from Latin abusus, from abuti to consume, from ab- + uti to use
• Date: 15th century

1 : a corrupt practice or custom
2 : improper or excessive use or treatment : misuse <drug abuse>
3 obsolete : a deceitful act : deception
4 : language that condemns or vilifies usually unjustly, intemperately, and angrily
5 : physical maltreatment

- www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abuse

I definitely think that it is a "corrupt practice or custom" to forbid a child that is of age to attend college or to even live separately.