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Duggars expecting child #19

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  1. Revmitchell

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    Actually I can see the difference but the difference in no way sets up any moral imperative. Having agreed that not attending church is unscriptural it is a separate issue. The other two issues eg. leaving home and going to college are not mandated by any authority or moral imperative. There is no evidence of any kind of abuse.
     
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    Please show me Scripture where we are no longer parenting an 18 or 21 year old.
     
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    I don't think he ever alluded to that. Is it good parenting to tell my children they are not allowed to leave the home until they are 21, they cannot attend church, and if they want to talk to me this week about something important, they have to sign up on the refrigerator?
     
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    Who says they're wasting their minds? I went to two years of college. Well, really one and a half because I blew off my last semester since I was getting married. I really learned nothing in school because I just had no desire to be there. I've been married 24 years now and never went back to school. However, I homeschooled two children through 8th grade and would have continued to homeschooling if that was what God led us to do. I'm basically a housewife, although I do things outside of being a housewife that I enjoy doing. I do work now part time but it's work I want to do - not that I have to do. I keep my mind sharp by reading, studying things on my own, speaking with other people, etc. I certainly don't need to go to college to make sure I don't waste my mind.
     
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    Before I answer, is it your contetion, then, that parents scripturally have authority over their children in perpetuity, as long as the parents are living?

    It's not an issue of "no longer parenting". The Duggars, like any parents, should consinue to parent for their entire lives. But parenting adult children does not include being allowed to tell an adult child what they may or may not do. Verses like Proverbs 22:6 makes a separation between training up of children, and but having them do their own walking as adults. The verse says that if you train a child as he/she should go, they will not depart from that when they are adults. 1Cor 13 also differentiates between a child being a child, but a man putting aside childish ways. If a parent is precluding a child from putting his/her childish ways aside, then it might possibly be a violation of 1Cor, at least the spirit of it.
     
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    You took my quote completely out of context :laugh: It had nothing to do with college...
     
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    If your rule is that your child doesn't leave your home until 21, why is that an issue? It's not like you're locking them away - and most children DON'T leave home until after they're 21 anyway. I don't think the parent's say "You CAN'T go to church" but more than likely, they've chosen to not attend a church for whatever reason and the children follow suit. We might be having a church change someday and our children will go with us. Is that wrong? Is that demanding? NO. It's just that our family worships together.

    As for the signing up on the fridge, it's not that big a deal to me. In a larger family, and in many homeschool families, schedules rule the roost. I'm not one of the ones who likes schedules but if a family needs a schedule to run smoothly, it does help to understand when things are happening. You can't expect a homeschooling parent to drop the education of their children to talk about anything at any time. If it's urgent, I'm sure that the Duggars, as with any parent, would drop what is unimportant for what is important. Even my daughters will sometimes say "Can I talk to you later about something?" if they really want some uninterrupted time and I only have 4 kids. How much uninterrupted time does one mother have with many more kids? Scheduling time means that the child will have mom's full attention and I think that's a great solution.
     
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    Exactly :thumbs:
     
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    ..because they are deemed adults at 18, and any such rule is not justified.
    The parents also home church, meaning they do not have a home church. I see that as a huge red flag.

    .There is a huge difference between being orderly, and not having the time to provide for your kids due to the sheer number of them. That's apples and oranges.
     
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    I see child rearing when they are on the cusp of adulthood seems to be a hot topic at BB.:smilewinkgrin:

    Almost 14 pages in less than 30 hours.
     
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    Not quite. The Duggars forbid their children from going to college,regardless how how far past the age of 18 they are. They forbid their female children from moving out of the house until they are married, regardless of how far past the age of 18 they are.
     
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    Trying to tie when they leave home into whether or not they go to church does not prop up your position on the latter. They are unrelated.
     
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    In New York State, they're not adult enough to drink alcohol. So why can't parents still have some say in their lives too? I can honestly say that while my daughter is 19, she's not an adult yet. However, my 17 year old is almost an adult - moreso than my 19 year old. It's just how they're wired.

    MANY families homechurch. In some areas, that's the only way to have a Biblical church. I don't necessarily agree with homechurching but honestly, they're bigger than some regular churches.

    And we don't have evidence that they don't have time to provide for their kids due to the sheer number of them, do we?
     
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    But if your daughter decides to leave for college, you can't forbid her.
     
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    Not surprised to see who's finding fault with them.

    God, thank You for the Duggars and their testimony.
     
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    Can you show me the Scripture that supports that? Or the law?
     
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    Forsaking the assembly is a great testimony, huh?
     
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    There's no scripture that supports the concept of parents having decisional authority over other adults, which would include adult children.
    Of your daughter is 18, and she leaves for college without your consent, the law will tell you she's over 18, and you can't stop her.
     
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    And no one has yet answered the question: How do you keep an adult from leaving home?
     
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    I just saw the connection between the Quiverfull movement and Bill Gothard, and the light came on!

    http://askville.amazon.com/religion...as-belongs/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=17954545

    If they follow Gothard, I feel sorry for their children. Gothard has gone into legalism and crazy teachings such as a man should not leave home until he marries (and never leave if he never marries). Also, Cabbage Patch dolls in the home will cause miscarriage. This is a mere slice of Gothard's teachings.

    I highly recommend the book, A Matter of Basic Principles, by Don Veinot, which exposes some of the flawed teachings of Gothard. Followers of Gothard are almost cultlike in their devotion and churches have split over this.
     
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