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Duggars expecting child #19

Discussion in 'Other Discussions' started by webdog, Sep 1, 2009.

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  1. HankD

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    How did things get so complicated?

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  2. HankD

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    Pay them to stay?


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    Here's an example of "forcing their kids to be parents" and the "slavery" that some are talking about.

    "The Duggars raise their children using the buddy system, in which an older sibling assists the younger sibling in daily tasks. The older buddy "will get the younger ones' meals." According to Mrs. Duggar, "They help them with their little phonics lessons and games during the day and help them practice their music lessons. They will play with them or help them pick out the color of their outfit that they want to wear that day, and just all of those types of things."

    http://askville.amazon.com/religion-...estId=17954545

    Yeah, that sounds like some really heavy demands to place on teenage kids. :rolleyes:
     
  4. annsni

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    I think those parents need to be pulled off their lazy butts!! Man - they must be sitting watching Oprah all day or something!
     
  5. tinytim

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    Yes, I feel this family is abusing their children for money...

    These children are not having a normal childhood.. they are being raised as actors.

    The damage this family is doing to their children by putting a camera in their face everyday, and broadcasting their lives on TV for money is reprehensible.

    The children will not know how to adjust to real life, because they are professional actors 100% off the time...

    And to think they are bringing another child into the world for their slaves to raise.. is ridiculous...

    Fame and fortune are very powerful...

    Not to mention the quiverfull movement is from Hell... See Marcia's last post.

    My grandmother raised 15 kids.. and did a wonderful job.. but she was not part of a fundamentalist cult that promoted having kids for fortune.
     
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    Cultic brainwashing the way the Duggars are doing.
     
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    Cultic brainwashing give me a break.:rolleyes:
     
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    Just my humble opinion.. LOL...

    If my sons had friends like them, I would tell my sons to run!...

    Again, my opinion... They are too close to Gothards cult for my liking...

    Check out Bill Gothard, and you WILL see the similarities...

    That is not a Biblical family... it is a fundamentalist cult...

    Everytime I watch them, I can imagine Spamderson, or Phelps coming for a visit!
     
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    Now having said that... I will firmly support them to raise their family however they want... as I will mine.
     
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    I am very familiar with Gothard but neither Gothard or the Duggars are remotely close to Phelps or Sanderson.Not even in the same ball park.
     
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    They can "forbid" till they're blue in the face. Their adult children can leave or go to college any time they want to.

    No one can stop them.
     
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    That's exactly my point. Parents "forbidding" an adult child from leaving home and going to college is an abuse of parental authority.
     
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    If they had any authority over an adult child, that would be the case, but they have no authority that is not granted to them by said adult offspring.

    The blame or fault rests with adult children that , just possibly, like it at home.

    It's warm and cozy and safe. If one of them gets the urge to spread his wings and fly, the parents have no "authority" to stop them.

    They're grown. Stop crying over their welfare. If they want to make it on their own , they have the opportunity. Just like you and I did. (I'm assuming about you. I know about me.)
     
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    The whole "forbidding" the girls to attend college thing is certainly interesting isn't it... I wonder if they are setting a similar standard for the boys in the family.

    The only way, it seems, to make this family appear even remotely healthy is to compartmentalize and catagorize all the issues that have been beaten to death in these 16 pages. When isolated, none of them seems remotely wrong or harmful. In fact, many see godly characteristics in this family that shoud be emulated and maybe there are.

    I tend to not "break things down to chapters and verses", rather I prefer looking at this with a more wholistic view. When you mix the "Quiverful Movement" with obvious Gothard-like "authority" leanings, then add isolation from local church... what you are left is something that looks very cultish to me, regardless of how "christian" they look and sound on the TV.

    The "big issue" of parenting style the Duggars have employed is one of basic pragmatism. There is no way they can effectively "parent" that many children... no one could. I don't think I would be able to effectively pastor a church over 250 people without some serious help from other ministry staff and other church leaders. I don't take issue with the parenting style so much as I do the Quiverful garbage, isolation from local church, and the unbiblical teachings of one Bill Gothard. You bring correction to those core errors, and the parenting issues will follow.

    When you get past the color-coordinated khakis, shirts, and dresses... the "pastor" hair cuts, and the southern politeness... what you are left with is the corruption of theological error. I believe the Duggars passionately love each and every child they have, and want what they believe is God's best for them. I also believe that there are smaller families in our own churches who embrace good theology and right teaching that are far less healthy than the Duggars are.
     
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    After reading some of the harsh comments about the Duggar family, it seems that the only thing that will satisfy those who have condemned them would be to let a benevolent government intervene and remove these kids from this "cultish" "domineering" family with a father who obviously has a God complex. Sad.
     
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    Actually, they follow Gothard and go to the Institute regularly. I remember a show about that.
     
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    So could that girl they just found after 19 years who was kidnapped...why didn't she?
     
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    I would agree with everything here but the Duggar family being "healthy". Tim is right, they are closer to a fundamentalist cult. Odd that when Bill Gothard was brought up, many of the support posts here slowed down considerably...
     
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    I certainly don't agree with everything they do and I think having that many children would cause me to carry my uterus in a backpack, but that still doesn't mean that they are doing everything "wrong" and are evil. I still support them in having as many children as they desire/God will give them (because God could stop it all in a heartbeat), and raising them the way they see fit. They are not abusive - not one child has left home saying "this stunk". Their son who has married has said that he's going to do a lot of the things they do but he's not going to do everything. So they still do have minds, wills and ability to change things if they wish.
     
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    They also have been programmed and brainwashed as well.
     
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