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Duggars expecting child #19

Discussion in 'Other Discussions' started by webdog, Sep 1, 2009.

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  1. Johnv

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    It's clear that they engage in practices that are scripturally questionable (gothard/quiverfull, refusal to attend church), and there's an apparant indication that that some of their practices are unreasonable and irresponsible (forbidding adult children from leaving the house, continuing to have children just for the sake of having children). However, assuming there's no abuse, they're still allowed to raise their family as they choose.

    The sticking point for so many of us is whether the freedom to allow people to have/raise kids as they see fit absolves them from criticism. It does not. No one here is advocating trumping on the Duggar's freedoms. But that does NOT mean there should be a refrain from noting actions of them that are questionable.
     
  2. Revmitchell

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    Gothard is a personal choice not something that should be questionable to everyone. The values taught to the girls are also personal choices and not something for everyone to be concerned with.

    Not going to church is unscriptural, having kids because one is relying on God to be their birth control is just silly, that is like sitting on the couch on Sunday morning and saying alright God take me to church.

    Outside of that having that many kids is not in error. But overall there is no real underlying problem.

    Some people think parental authority stops at legal consent. Others do not nothing abusive about either and is a personal choice.
     
  3. Aaron

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    Like I said. It's not surprising to see who is critical of this family and their service to God. They would be holding this family up as a pillar of righteousness if their "service" was blasting "Christian rap" into a crowd of riotous teens.

    But when they serve God by being fruitful and multiplying, they're a cult!

    God help us.
     
  4. Aaron

    Aaron Member
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    Just visited Quiverfull.com .

    So far, nothing even remotely unscriptural.
     
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    To quote you "it's not surprising" coming from you.
     
  6. Revmitchell

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    Why don't you point it out.
     
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    Point what out...that an ultra-fundy sees nothing wrong with another ultra-fundy?
     
  8. Aaron

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    If you have more knowledge about the "movement" than I do, then select one of their unscriptural tenets or leanings and post it with an internet citation.

    Admittedly, I haven't read this entire thread (and don't intend to), but it seems as if folks are just throwing the Quiverfull "movement" name around as if it has a defacto negative connotation—hardly a substantive argument.
     
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    The main idea of quiverfull is that you allow God to control your fertility.

    Is there anything wrong with that?
     
  10. Revmitchell

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    Go to the website and point out what you see that should be objectionable to everyone.
     
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    There is a huge difference between trusting God and tempting God. Is it trust to walk across a busy freeway because God is in control over whether I live or die? Is it trust to stay at home unemployed because God will meet my needs? Is it trust to drink as much alcohol as I want since God is in control whether I get drunk or not? When a man and woman have s*x during the time a woman is fertile...it is not "trust"...it's the very mechanism God put into place to get pregnant...it's not "trust". God commands us to be stewards...including family planning.
     
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    You are right. But this issue is not worth any amount of condemnation.
     
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    Not from a Scriptural point of view. From what point of view do you call it wrong?
     
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    So having lots of children in devotion to God is like drunkeness, sloth, and death-defying stunts? From what Scripture do you make this judgment?

    Suzanna Wesley was the 25th of 25 children. Were her parents akin to drunken slobs?

    She gave birth 19 times herself? Was the mother of John and Charles Wesley like a dare-devil, drunken slob?
     
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    Scripture taken from context to create the desired outcome is adding to the Word of God. You have already supplied your own concerns...why the need for more?
     
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    We are also commanded to be good stewards of what God has given us, fertility included.

    I see you have twisted that commandment around like the Quiverfull have done. In context, what and who is that passage in reference to?
     
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    Can you show me the verse that says that we need to be stewards of our family planning?
     
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    because you want to dub them a cult. A rather extreme view based on a small theological error. From your posts your biggest concern seems to be with what they see as parental authority and not so much everything else. But you need to prop up the parental authority so you pick on as much as you can and try to tie separate issues together.

    In the end it just is not that big a deal.
     
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    I saw the "oops" so I'm not sure if that applies to this post but I don't see anything wrong with it.
     
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    Are you serious? God has told us to be good stewards of everything he has given us (((but))) fertility and family planning?

    If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. 1 Timothy 5:8

    Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world James 1:27

    If the Quiverfull think having as many children as possible to be a blessing...why don't they care for the orphans by adopting?
     
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