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Duggars expecting child #19

Discussion in 'Other Discussions' started by webdog, Sep 1, 2009.

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  1. Jim1999

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    I don't believe for a minute that every minute detail given to man in either a cultural or timely context is relevant to all ages. For a couple without resources to reproduce without control is irresponsible, in my opinion.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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  2. annsni

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    See, the thing is, what "resources" are needed?

    In Bible times, a new couple would have a room built onto the parent's house to live in. All through history, new couples didn't have their own house, cars, fulltime jobs and health insurance before they had a family (heck, many of them didn't have anything NEAR what most of our newlyweds have). I think we need to be careful to know what is "need" and what is "keeping up with everyone else".

    You don't need your own big house to have a child. You don't need fancy clothes or fancy cars. You don't need a new crib or layette. You need a roof over your head (even if it's living with parents) and some food on the table. Some clean clothes and you're set. Kids can cost a ton or you can do it for less. I don't think I've had to buy clothes for my younger two in a few years thanks to the generosity of others and that suits me just fine. Kids don't need iPods, XBoxes, NeoPets and Bakugon to be happy they're here. We've decided that. But I don't think it's true.
     
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  3. Johnv

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    Which refutes your prior claim that it was given to man only.
    Assuming you're correct, all you're able to demonstrate is that withdrawal "was" punishable by death. But you're wrong. Onan's sin was having sex with someone under false premises: He agreed to the premise of impregnating his brother's wife, but his intent was to simply have sex with someone to whom he was not married, with no intention of impregnating her.
    It was given to peoples as a whole, not to individuals.
    Deut 25 says "her husband's brother shall... take her to him to wife" It doesn't say it's okay for a brother to have extramarital sex with his dead brother's wife.
    You've provided scripture, but you've failed to provide any scriptural support for the claim that married couples are scripturally mandated to have children, or to not regulate the number of children they have, or that couples who refulse to have children are in rebellion.
     
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    What? I said the command was not given to animals. It does not refute my prior claim that it was given to man only because in the verse stated, God was not speaking to birds, man and fish. He was speaking directly to man.

    Onan's sin was that he refused to follow the law and instead disobeyed it. He was to father a child for his brother's wife. He refused - refused to have a child - and therefore was killed.

    Yes, and what happens when we disobey? If it's given to a people as a whole, does that mean we can pick and choose if we want to follow it? I don't think so.

    What were the marriage customs in that day? I think "take her to him to wife" apparently is the method of marriage.

    I've not failed to provide it. "Be fruitful and multiply" means to have children. If we CHOOSE to not follow that command, given to all mankind, then I think there is rebellion.

    You have not shown me one person in Scripture anywhere who were commended for not having children. You have not shown me where God praises anyone for not having children. You have not shown me where God said that children are a choice - that we can refuse a blessing.

    Sorry, I don't see Scripture condoning childlessness anywhere.
     
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  5. Johnv

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    Your implication was that the command was only for humans. I refuted that.
    You're claiming that the law was "have extramarital sex with your brother's widow so she can get pregnant". That's not what the Bible says.
    The command is not simply to multiply, it's to multiply to that the population spreads over the earth. At 6 billion over the earth, one can argue that this has been fulfilled.
    Your application is a misapplication of the verse. That's a hard fact, not an opinion.
    The lack of scripture is not a support for the negative. There are many things scripture does not bless. That does not make the lack fo scripture a curse. It simply makes the lack of scripture a matter of individual liberty.

    In another thread, there is a person making the claim that, since scripture doess not bless instruments in the church, that using instruments on Sunday mornings is wrong. That argument is patently ridiculous. Your claim that childlessness is wrong because it's not blessed by scripture is as equally as ridiculous.
     
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  6. I Am Blessed 24

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    I think the Duggars' have been raked over the coals enough for one thread. This isn't China where anyone is told how many children they can/cannot have...thank God!

    I am closing this thread because it has degenerated into the bashing of a family that no one here even knows personally...
     
    #306 I Am Blessed 24, Sep 9, 2009
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