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[lori4dogs]

Unfortuanalely, the Baptist, Catholic, Anglican, etc. chuches in Canada are dead and dying. No evangelism.

Our Catholic Churches here are bursting at the seems, spilling out into the streets and people coming to know the Lord ans Savior. Sorry what is happening up in your way.

BTW. Baptist churches are closing here and re-opening as Coptic Churches.

The Catholic Church is the fastest growing church in the World. The majority of converts in our area are former Baptist and Methodist who have studied there Bibles with the Catechism and found that they have been decieved. We now have 60 enrolled as former protestants who are seeking reception into Christ One, Holy and Apostolic Chruch.

How many enrolled in your intructions classes? Be truthful NOW!!

 

[DHK]

The Catholic Church is the fastest growing church in the World.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and is growing at a far greater pace than Catholicism. They have left you in the dust.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Unfortuanalely, the Baptist, Catholic, Anglican, etc. chuches in Canada are dead and dying. No evangelism.

Our Catholic Churches here are bursting at the seems, spilling out into the streets and people coming to know the Lord ans Savior. Sorry what is happening up in your way.

That's really interesting, given that I still can't find a Catholic who knows what the Gospel is.

BTW. Baptist churches are closing here and re-opening as Coptic Churches.

Are you sure about that? Given the wide docrinal and practical differences between Baptists and Coptics, I find it a little hard to believe that Baptist churches are voting to close and make such a radical change.

Do you have any examples of the Baptist churches that are allegedly doing this?

The Catholic Church is the fastest growing church in the World.

That's nice. Untrue, but nice. But the funny thing is that, by your logic, Mormonism and Islam must be even more true than Catholicism, since they're growing at even greater rates than Catholicism.

So, in order to be consistent with your own logic, why haven't you become a Mormon?

The majority of converts in our area are former Baptist and Methodist who have studied there Bibles with the Catechism and found that they have been decieved. We now have 60 enrolled as former protestants who are seeking reception into Christ One, Holy and Apostolic Chruch.

Yeah...and?

How many enrolled in your intructions classes? Be truthful NOW!!

Honestly? We're so far out in the country that we don't have a very large community to draw from. But our church has grown from 22 people three years ago, to just over 300 today. And we know that about forty percent of those folks are new Christians.

So, by my math, it would be about 120 people over the last three years. But in all fairness, that's just for the "New Believers' Class", not all of the classes we offer. I don't have numbers in front of me, but I know that we've had at least 200-250 people in our church history, and OT survey classes.

 

[Darron Steele]

Unfortuanalely, the Baptist, Catholic, Anglican, etc. chuches in Canada are dead and dying. No evangelism.

Our Catholic Churches here are bursting at the seems, spilling out into the streets and people coming to know the Lord ans Savior. Sorry what is happening up in your way.

BTW. Baptist churches are closing here and re-opening as Coptic Churches.

The Catholic Church is the fastest growing church in the World. The majority of converts in our area are former Baptist and Methodist who have studied there Bibles with the Catechism and found that they have been decieved.
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How many enrolled in your intructions classes? Be truthful NOW!!

Hi Lori:

I will probably never enroll in an RCIA class. Is that what you are referring to with "instructions classes"?

Here are the reasons why any Christian would convert to a Catholic congregation:

• a) it suits them for reasons other than religious agreement,
• b) they get misled about what the Catholic church is like, find out it was something different, and become suspicious of their prior church group,
• c) they get duped into uncritically accepting the arguments put forth by Catholic polemicists, not realizing the same arguments, if accepted, should make them consider Orthodoxy instead.

You tell us to enroll in "instructions classes" but why would we? I am not Catholic and I am not open to becoming Catholic. Most or all of us do not have time to go to commit to "instructions classes" that would be a waste of our time.

You boast that the Catholic church group is growing rapidly throughout the world. You want to know something: in many parts of the world, "Catholic" churches are Spiritist groups. I am not making this up; I was in a third world country where "Catholics" did not know the first thing about the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but quite familiar with Spiritist stuff because they still practice. The "growth" you brag about is not always growth in Christians.

Around where I live, the Catholic church group is a church group predominantly composed of Christians. Its growth parallels that of other church groups.

Also, what I have seen is that Pentecostalism is the fastest growing form of Christianity in the world.

 

[lori4dogs]

Johndeerfan: The reason these Baptist churches are closing is because they can no longer financiallly sustain their buildings. They have dwindled to just a few 'blue hairs' and have absolutely no outreach. They didn't vote to become Coptic, they voted to get rid o their building that was draining what little endowments they had left.They are not alone, the liberal Presbyterian church as joined them and is now a community center. Actually, one of the Coptic Churches has already outgrown the old Baptist Church and is moving into a larger facilitiy.

No our Catholic Churches are reaching the un-saved for Jesus. We are building new churches in several local towns to accomodate the growth. The Baptist churches a barely filling a few pews, canceling evening services, meeting in peoples homes for bible study to save the energy to heat and cool the church building. Oh, and fighting among themselves like cats and dogs. We hear their stories during our RCIA classes.

I'm not surprised at the comparisson to the Moslem faith some are using by way of rationalizing the tremendous growth in the Catholic Church. Difference is, people are drawn to the Catholic Church because of the true Gospel that has endured since the beginning of the Apostolic times through the power fo the Holy Spirit. Thanks be to God!

Darron Steele: Your assertion that the Catholic Church misleads people as to what the Church is REALLY like smacks of conspiracy. You might want to lay of the 'Jack Chick Tracts'.

 

[lori4dogs]

Darron Steele: Here is a little known fact that most protestants are not aware. Pentecostal Catholics FAR out number protestant Pentecostals. A little research will prove this out.

 

[Darron Steele]

Darron Steele: Here is a little known fact that most protestants are not aware. Pentecostal Catholics FAR out number protestant Pentecostals. A little research will prove this out.

I have done the research.

Pentecostal church groups are taking the third world by storm. Catholics may be expanding in the Third World by allowing Spiritists to be both Spiritist and Catholic, but Catholic Christians are not taking the world by storm. I have read -- in books -- comments by Catholic clergy in Latin America expressing concern over the growth of Pentecostal groups.

I would like to see your research, and web browsing is not research. Frankly, your credibility is shattered by the fact you pretended to be an Anglican when you joined but you are clearly a zealous Catholic.

In my neck of the woods, that is called "lying." I believe you have lied more since you joined, including this so-called "little known fact" that, not so strangely, is contrary to what I have seen in books. Why should I or anyone believe anything you say?

 

[Revmitchell]

The Catholic Church is the fastest growing church in the World.

There are several different religions claiming to be the “fastest growing religion”. Such claims vary due to different definitions of “fastest growing”, and whether the claim is worldwide or regional. There are also many unreliable claims and rumors, especially for conversion rates, that often spread as urban legends.....

.....Religions can grow in numbers due to conversion or due to higher birth rates in a religious group (assuming that children take on the religion of their parents). Religions in particular countries can grow due to immigration. So the fastest growing religion could refer to:

* The religion whose absolute number of adherents is growing the fastest (by whatever means).
* The religion that is growing fastest in terms of percentage growth per year (by whatever means).
* The religion that is gaining the greatest number of converts.
* The religion that is gaining the greatest number of associative members (those associating themselves via survey, effectively a popularity vote)

Measures counting absolute numbers tend to favour the larger religions; measures counting percentage growth the smaller ones. For example, if a religion had only 10 followers, a single addition would be a 10% increase, and would therefore dwarf the percentage growth rates of the larger religions.

Statistics on religious adherence are difficult to gather and often contradictory; statistics for the change of religious adherence are even more so, requiring multiple surveys separated by many years using the same data gathering rules. This has only been achieved in rare cases, and then only for a particular country, such as the American Religious Identification Survey[1] in the USA, or census data from Australia[2] (which has included a voluntary religious question since 1911). Worldwide data are more difficult to gather than data on a particular country.



More Here

 

[lori4dogs]

I have done the research.

Pentecostal church groups are taking the third world by storm. Catholics may be expanding in the Third World by allowing Spiritists to be both Spiritist and Catholic, but Catholic Christians are not taking the world by storm. I have read -- in books -- comments by Catholic clergy in Latin America expressing concern over the growth of Pentecostal groups.

I would like to see your research, and web browsing is not research. Frankly, your credibility is shattered by the fact you pretended to be an Anglican when you joined but you are clearly a zealous Catholic.

In my neck of the woods, that is called "lying." I believe you have lied more since you joined, including this so-called "little known fact" that, not so strangely, is contrary to what I have seen in books. Why should I or anyone believe anything you say?

You make a BIG assumption and a FALSE accusation.

I WAS an Anglican when I joined this Board. After spending much time reading the debates by the Catholic contributors to this board I became a Catholic with NO regrets. I never pretended to be an Anglican. I WAS one.
I am not a liar and resent your saying I am one.

I joined the BB years ago before the Catholics got the better of the Baptist and were banned for 'proselytizing'. BTW, I am not the only person who changed their denominational affiliation form Baptist, Anglican, and so on to the true faith.
Much easier to bash someones faith when they aren't allowed to defend it.

 

[Darron Steele]

You make a BIG assumption and a FALSE accusation.

I WAS an Anglican when I joined this Board.

Really? Then why did you not change your church affiliation listed?

After spending much time reading the debates by the Catholic contributors to this board I became a Catholic with NO regrets. I never pretended to be an Anglican. I WAS one.
I am not a liar and resent your saying I am one.

My point stands. You did not change your church affiliation when you became Catholic.

When I checked your profile when you started posting in this area, you had an Anglican congregation listed as your home church. I grant that you cannot change your denomination under your profile, but you can change your home congregation.

You continued in a ruse that you were still Anglican.

I joined the BB years ago before the Catholics got the better of the Baptist and were banned for 'proselytizing'.

Because probably they were proselytizing. This is BaptistBoard. It is primarily for Baptists.

Other Christians are welcome to post in some areas, but we have to remember this board is not us. It is rude to get on a board maintained by Baptists for Baptists, and try to use it to proselytize away from Baptist church groups.

It is one thing to challenge Baptist precepts. It is another thing to try to get Baptists to join another religious system.

BTW, I am not the only person who changed their denominational affiliation form Baptist, Anglican, and so on to the true faith.

The Catholic faith, whichever version you claim, is not "the true faith" according to what I read in Scripture.

Much easier to bash someones faith when they aren't allowed to defend it.

Yeah, I know.

I have been many times saddened by the Catholic bashing I see on this board. Catholic bashing is not criticizing Catholicism, but smearing Catholics for beliefs and practices they do not have. I have taken a lot of trouble opposing it on this board, and stopped coming here many times simply because I could not stand reading anymore of it.

But you are not defending Catholicism. You are proselytizing to it, and have done so under false pretense.

 

[lori4dogs]

Darron Steele: Oh, and here is little more information for you since so you are so 'up' on your research.

The Vatican has made a provision for receiving orthodox Anglicans into the Catholic Church (including our married priests) because of the widespread apostasy whithin the Anglican Communion. If you look at my profile you will see that I attend Holy Family CatholicChurch. We can continue to use our Anglican Rite.

I suggest before you sling accusations of lying about fellow Christians you make sure you re-read those ten commandments and hone in on the one of making false accusation against your brother.

 

[lori4dogs]

Read my post again. We are allowed to keep our Anglican identity!

 

[lori4dogs]

And, by the way, one might expect that if you can't change your denonimnation. an assumption might follow that the Church identity might folllow as well. I didn't figue that our for some time. You can believe me or not. I suspect you will not as you obviously have an axe to grind.

 

[Darron Steele]

Lori: you cannot be Anglican and Catholic.

Catholicism has one set of precepts. Anglicanism has another.

The pope allowing Anglicans to join the Catholic church does not change that.

If you attend a Catholic congregation, and promote Catholicism, you are Catholic.

Further, you are right: you will not convince me that you had honest intentions when you continued this ruse. I have no `axe to grind' but if actions contradict words, I believe the actions.

Now, I have had enough of this diversion: I want to see that research that substantiates your "little known fact" that is contrary to what I have seen in books.

 

[lori4dogs]

Where have I proselytized and not defended.

When you make false statements about Mary, purgatory, infalibillity of the pope, praying to saints, etc., I try to correct them using the best means I have. When I do so, I am accused of propogating lies! Again, there are other former Baptist who have left the Baptist faith as a result of following this board and become Catholics. I'm not the only one by any means!

 

[lori4dogs]

http://www.atonementonline.com/intro.php

Your comments please!

 

[Darron Steele]

Where have I proselytized and not defended.

When you make false statements about Mary, purgatory, infalibillity of the pope, praying to saints, etc., I try to correct them using the best means I have. When I do so, I am accused of propogating lies! Again, there are other former Baptist who have left the Baptist faith as a result of following this board and become Catholics. I'm not the only one by any means!

You are either
a) lying again, or
b) have not read my posts.

I HAVE NOT WROTE A SINGLE COMMENT ABOUT "Mary, purgatory, infallibility of the pope, praying to saints" etc..

I HAVE repeatedly spoken up for Catholics when they are smeared for views and practices they do not have. I have done this on threads you have been active on.

Again, I have had enough of this dodging: I want to see those references that confirm your "little known fact" that contradicts what I have read in books.

 

[DHK]

Lori here is how it stands in recent conversations with the members on this board:
1. You have been wrong on what the Catechism teaches.
2. You have been wrong on what the Catholic Church teaches.
3. You have been wrong on what the Baptists believe.
4. You are wrong in the statistics that you are posting.
5. You are posting statistics without any verification.
6. Statistics without documentation are nothing but opinion. Thus your statistical posting is nothing but pride and unsubstantiated numbers.
7. Many of the numbers that you have given are obviously flagrantly wrong.
8. You are naive in doctrine about the gospel, soteriology, and what the Bible teaches.
9. You don't have a clue what the Bible teaches about the new birth--what the RCC teaches or what the Baptists teach.

10. Worst of all you have been warned by at least three different posters: Darren Steele, JohnDeereFan, and one other poster, that your are proselytizing--which you have been doing. Read the rules at the bottom of each page. As Darren pointed out to you it is a bannable offense.

Consider this an official warning
Any more such posts that even come close to proselytizing will result in swift action taken by the administration of this board. We do not tolerate such activity. You should know better having seen the antics of Carson Webber in the past.
Again, you have been warned. Take heed.

 

[lori4dogs]

No, I'm not liar. Never said you said those things yourself, but plenty have. I simply stated that when PEOPLE make these comments then I feel I need to defend them.

As far a being Anglican Rite. I am and will not change. You are right, I cannot change my denomination on my profile but have explained this on past postings. Ask DHK, he accused me being deceptive and then apologized. You apparently will not.

I attend a Catholic Church, worship according to the Anglican Rite. Say the the Anglican Daily Office (daily devotions for you Baptist), have persmission to belong to an Anglican Religious Order.

I do thank you for speaking up for Catholics when they are smeared and treated as second class Christians. I do agree with you on a LOTS of your contributions. I do think you need to do some research on the Anglican and Catholic pentecostals in such places as Nigeria, Uganda, Kenya where orthodox Christianity is leaving us in the dust.
The stats for the Anglican Church Nigeria speak for themselves.

 

[lori4dogs]

Lori here is how it stands in recent conversations with the members on this board:
1. You have been wrong on what the Catechism teaches.
2. You have been wrong on what the Catholic Church teaches.
3. You have been wrong on what the Baptists believe.
4. You are wrong in the statistics that you are posting.
5. You are posting statistics without any verification.
6. Statistics without documentation are nothing but opinion. Thus your statistical posting is nothing but pride and unsubstantiated numbers.
7. Many of the numbers that you have given are obviously flagrantly wrong.
8. You are naive in doctrine about the gospel, soteriology, and what the Bible teaches.
9. You don't have a clue what the Bible teaches about the new birth--what the RCC teaches or what the Baptists teach.

10. Worst of all you have been warned by at least three different posters: Darren Steele, JohnDeereFan, and one other poster, that your are proselytizing--which you have been doing. Read the rules at the bottom of each page. As Darren pointed out to you it is a bannable offense.

Consider this an official warning
Any more such posts that even come close to proselytizing will result in swift action taken by the administration of this board. We do not tolerate such activity. You should know better having seen the antics of Carson Webber in the past.
Again, you have been warned. Take heed.

DHK: How am I proselytizing to defend what the church teaches. I have not ONCE encouraged another Christian to leave their church and join mine. Maybe in jest. I attend a Freewill Baptist Church each week and have had no one accuse me of proselytizing. I appreciate your warning but see a vast difference in what other Catholics have attempted and what I'm doing. Am I wrong.