"Was the Revolutionary War Justified" by Mark Noll

NiteShift · Aug 21, 2010

Squire Robertsson said: ↑

Actually, it's fairly simple. The Stuarts starting with Charles I sought to rule England and Scotland in the French style as absolute monarchs (this gets us into the whole thing about how the French viewed the Divine right of Kings). Remember, in this period Parliament had gained the power of the purse. If the crown wanted to raise and spend money beyond its own resources, the crown needed Parliament to raise and appropriate the taxes. IOW, the crown could not and can not lay taxes without Parliament's involvement. In France, taxes were what the king said they were.

There was also the matter of religion. The male Stuarts to a greater or lesser extent were supporters of the Roman Catholic Church or as they called them back in the day "Papists." This may not mean much to an American in 2010. But, back then religious controversy was still a contact sport (Thirty Years War). A RCC monarch was expected to to the Papal line. So, when James II not only came out as an RC he further committed to raise his heir James III as a RC, the stuff hit the fan (The Glorious Revolution).
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Well some of this I am familiar with, and am aware that the Jacobite movement eventually withered away. But as I say, it can get very convoluted if you try to give it a closer look. Example: I remember reading that some Jacobite nobility, Catholics from the south of England, considered themselves to be the true cavaliers, who I'd always thought of as being Anglican. And these Catholic cavaliers were allied to Gaelic speaking clans in the Scottish highlands at times, other times not and so on and so on. This is the type of thing that is hard to keep track of, and seems hardly worth keeping track of unless one enjoys a good headache.

Squire Robertsson · Aug 21, 2010

NiteShift said: ↑

Well some of this I am familiar with, and am aware that the Jacobite movement eventually withered away. But as I say, it can get very convoluted if you try to give it a closer look. Example: I remember reading that some Jacobite nobility, Catholics from the south of England, considered themselves to be the true cavaliers, who I'd always thought of as being Anglican. And these Catholic cavaliers were allied to Gaelic speaking clans in the Scottish highlands at times, other times not and so on and so on. This is the type of thing that is hard to keep track of, and seems hardly worth keeping track of unless one enjoys a good headache.
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At that level, it becomes the work of specialists.
However, for th purposes of the AmRev, it proves there are principles at work that a cursory look focused only on the mid-1700s won't see. If one looks solely at the period immediately prior to 1776, you don't see the unstated (because back then everyone knew and/or shared them) presuppositions.

If one can not properly understand the Civil Rights movement of the 50s and 60s without a knowledge of the preceding hundred years of American history, the same can be said of the AmRev.

NiteShift · Aug 21, 2010

True. It is like the old maps with large unexplored areas marked only 'Here be Dragons'.

There be dragons in several areas of my maps.

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