Women Preachers

[preacher4truth]

Who said this? I don't think there's anyone here saying we should scratch ears. I certainly don't. But that doesn't mean I think all my interpretations are right. I'm sure some of them are wrong, but it's still where I feel led on the issues.



The doctrine of sola scriptura does not mean that we read the Bible and apply without contextual interpretation. The reformers didn't do that. No good theologian does that, either. Reading biblical text without seeing the need to interpret according to historical context or general revelation is called nuda scriptura, and nude Scripture is dangerous Scripture. So everyone interprets. And the ring of truth coming out of Paul's context and other input from the Bible is that there was no overarching eternal command that women be silent for all eternity.

Someone said it or I wouldn't have. Go take a look, there is actually someone here who did.

Who said sola scriptura means not using context? Not here.

Using context to make your decision is subjective and an assumption at best., on this particular topic.

None of this means women are to be silent throughout all eternity. You're going to the extreme with that statement.

 

[corinth7]

Women Pastors

The Bible says, A woman is to be Silent in the church, and if they are to learn anything they should ask their husbands.

As their law had said!

So what do I think- I think that the foundation of the church was just comming into one.

And little disagreements could mess up the flow of that happening.

So what ever one needed to do to keep peace it probably should have been done.

As even now, if what we do will cause someone to stumble then we ought not do it.

 

[corinth7]

For those who oppose a woman preaching how do you interprete the following:





To prophesy means to preach. Dictionary.com gives the following definitions:

to speak as a mediator between god and humankind or in God's stead.

Archaic . to teach religious subjects.

I think Corinthians is speaking about order in the church/ Or anything that would cause a break in unity. If people still were living by the law and they believed a woman shouldn't do A or B. Then one is to agree with their Adversary Quickly. Why to keep Peace.

However in ACTs..it didn't say where they would do it...unless he was speaking about the signs that followed those after they were Baptized. Women could prophecy to other women...who knows what the deal was. But certainly God would not contradict his word..

 

[preacher4truth]

The Bible says, A woman is to be Silent in the church, and if they are to learn anything they should ask their husbands.

As their law had said!

So what do I think- I think that the foundation of the church was just comming into one.

And little disagreements could mess up the flow of that happening.

So what ever one needed to do to keep peace it probably should have been done.

As even now, if what we do will cause someone to stumble then we ought not do it.

Yes! They needed to muzzle those women before they derailed the Church!!!! They could have done what the Gates of Hades could not do!!!! Those dern women!!!!! Now that the church is more solid, lettem rip!!!

Uh....not so, friend.


(Forgive me ladies)

:jesus: <------ Think of Him and forgive me.

 

[ashleysdad]

How do you misinterpret "appoint elders in every town as I directed you— if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife" or "Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife"??

It is easy to misinterpret when you decide to base your "interpretation" on what is acceptable culturally as opposed to what is accepted Biblically.

 

[Jerome]

Youtube: Advice for Women in Ministry by Anne Graham Lotz, daughter of Billy Graham

Regarding being publicly humliated by pastors when she was a conference speaker:

I was raised in a home that—that was never brought up, never—I didn't even know it was an issue!

 

[preachinjesus]

Jerome, it appears all your points are extra-biblical. Do you have any biblical points to add to the conversation?

Just curious...

 

[preacher4truth]

Jerome, it appears all your points are extra-biblical. Do you have any biblical points to add to the conversation?

Just curious...

It never ends preachinjesus. All these allusions to self (ME! ME! ME!) and extrabiblical hogwash is unreal among those who are to preach the truth.

None of it proves anything. None of it is truth.

 

[John Toppass]

Originally Posted by annsni
How do you misinterpret "appoint elders in every town as I directed you— if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife" or "Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife"??

It is easy to misinterpret when you decide to base your "interpretation" on what is acceptable culturally as opposed to what is accepted Biblically.

I agree, I find that when you quote scripture with meaning that others must massage and twist the scripture to feel their point valid. When actually they are saying "This is what the scripture means if you ignore the other parts of scripture that contradict my interpertation of this verse"

 

[jaigner]

I agree, I find that when you quote scripture with meaning that others must massage and twist the scripture to feel their point valid. When actually they are saying "This is what the scripture means if you ignore the other parts of scripture that contradict my interpertation of this verse"

It is easy to misinterpret when you decide to base your "interpretation" on what is acceptable culturally as opposed to what is accepted Biblically.

Sweet mercy, nobody is saying that. Nobody is suggesting biblical standards can be altered at any whim.

We're saying that we believe it is not biblical that women are limited.

Again - I believe it is biblical that women are given the same opportunities as men - preaching, teaching, whatever.

I don't believe in tossing the Bible around like a football. In fact, I have avoided that at all costs.

We have to do theology - we have to interpret, instead of reading and executing without any regard to context.

 

[BobinKy]

This will be my last post in this thread. Here are my wrap-up thoughts on the topic.

(1) To PreachinJesus...

I definitely see Mary Magdalene (a woman) carrying out a position of authority in the church (given to her by Jesus) in John 20.

Jesus and the angels appeared to Mary at the tomb, not Peter or the disciple whom Jesus loved. Furthermore, Jesus gave to Mary a task (short-term ministry) to "go to my brethren, and say unto them" (v. 17), which she did--"Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her" (v. 18). Please note the response of the brethern when they heard what Jesus told Mary to tell them: "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you" (v. 19).

Was this a short-term office for Mary? Possibly, in a way similar to the short term offices of Amos and Jonah in the Old Testament. She is not mentioned by name during the events in Acts 1-2 as the leadership of Peter emerges. However, this is as Jesus ordained because he previously said he would build his church upon the leadership of Peter:

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18).​

(2) To everyone...

There has been some discussion that this topic is a cultural topic. That is how I see it. Acceptance of women in the ministry--both in New Testament times and in our times today--is a cultural issue. In the words of Al Mohler, President of The Southern Baptist Seminary, Louisville, KY,

" a church or denomination either will ordain women to the pastorate, or it will not. . . . Many of the most heated disagreements among serious believers take place at the [doctrinal] second-order level, for these issues frame our understanding of the church and its ordering by the Word of God" (A Call for Theological Triage and Christian Maturity, 2010, p. 3, paragraph 2).​

(3) From my heart...

In this thread I have tried to respect the viewpoints of those who felt led by the Holy Spirit to participate. This is an extremely difficult topic for both men and women living out their faith wherever Jesus calls them to serve: pulpit, teacher, deacon, missionary, pew, on the job, in the community, and in the home.​

May God continue to bless you,
May Jesus continue to use you, and
May the Holy Spirit continue to guide you.


...Bob

 

[SRBooe]

If Jesus had called a woman to be a desciple, this would not have been an issue. However, that decision would have really rankled the people back at that time, wouldn't it?

I am not going to try to decide for myself what Paul meant when he penned those words. I don't know enough about the situation.

I do know that God can call anyone He wants to serve in whatever capacity He chooses. I think that it not for me to decide.

Thank you so very much for those who participated in this thread.

 

[Crabtownboy]

If Jesus had called a woman to be a desciple, this would not have been an issue. However, that decision would have really rankled the people back at that time, wouldn't it?

We know that there were women who believed in Jesus. It was a woman who visited the tomb first. It was a woman who poured perfume on him. Obviously there were women present, seemingly wherever he was. It is also obvious that Jesus held women in a higher regard than others in his culture. There is a lesson there for us, IMHO.

1. Are you really sure he did not call some women as disciples and later Catholic monks and scribed edited them out?

2. In another way in that culture it might have ensured the male disciples abandoning him early if his ministry if he had called women. Women were held in very low regard in that time and culture. You are right, it would have rankled many in that time ... as it seems to do during our time.

There are many questions I really wish we had more information on so we could be more knowledgeable in forming our opinions.

I do know that God can call anyone He wants to serve in whatever capacity He chooses. I think that it not for me to decide.

Amen and Amen! Never try to limit God according to our own understanding.

 

[blackbird]

If Jesus had called a woman to be a desciple, this would not have been an issue. However, that decision would have really rankled the people back at that time, wouldn't it?

I am not going to try to decide for myself what Paul meant when he penned those words. I don't know enough about the situation.

I do know that God can call anyone He wants to serve in whatever capacity He chooses. I think that it not for me to decide.

Thank you so very much for those who participated in this thread.

God will not call anyone to do anything that runs against His written will found in Holy Scripture ---- Scripture reveals God's nature --- anything contrary to what is revealed in Scripture runs against the very nature of God

 

[annsni]

Youtube: Advice for Women in Ministry by Anne Graham Lotz, daughter of Billy Graham

Regarding being publicly humliated by pastors when she was a conference speaker:

What church is Anne a pastor of?

 

[annsni]

God will not call anyone to do anything that runs against His written will found in Holy Scripture ---- Scripture reveals God's nature --- anything contrary to what is revealed in Scripture runs against the very nature of God

Amen. You took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[preacher4truth]

God will not call anyone to do anything that runs against His written will found in Holy Scripture ---- Scripture reveals God's nature --- anything contrary to what is revealed in Scripture runs against the very nature of God

I agree...but not anymore for most, they've become smarter than God and smarter than the Bible.

I believe His Word on this issue. Anything outside of this is opinion. It blows my mind how many people use their own personal examples and lives and "wisdom" as authoritative truth above and beyond what the Scriptures teach. Then get "amens" for doing so. From preachers, nonetheless. Go figure.

 

[jaigner]

I believe His Word on this issue. Anything outside of this is opinion. It blows my mind how many people use their own personal examples and lives and "wisdom" as authoritative truth above and beyond what the Scriptures teach. Then get "amens" for doing so. From preachers, nonetheless. Go figure.

You must have misunderstood. I believe the Bible. I think all of us believe the Bible. We just don't interpret it the same way you do.

These are tough issues. It's not about just reading plain English and then putting it into practice. There are tough exegetical issues.

 

[Old Union Brother]

If the scripture says it I believe it and I'll stand by it on this and every other topic

 

[jaigner]

God will not call anyone to do anything that runs against His written will found in Holy Scripture ---- Scripture reveals God's nature --- anything contrary to what is revealed in Scripture runs against the very nature of God

I'm completely with you. I don't think the Bible is clear that women cannot preach or pastor or that they should be subservient or "submissive" in the home. It is clear, however, that this was once the instruction to groups of people for the greater good of the Kingdom.