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Calvinism Chart

Where do you fit in in the Calvinism chart?

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drfuss

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Osage Bluestem said:
Hi. :wavey:

I'm new here. I was just wanting to test the waters and see where people here were at regarding the handy calvinism chart.

Please look at the chart below and select where you fit in in the poll provided.

Calvinism Chart

1. Hyper-Calvinism

Beliefs: God is the author of sin and man has no responsibility before God. The Gospel should only preached to the elect. i.e. duty faith. and anti-missionary Belief in the five points is a prerequisite for true salvation, also known as Neo-Gnostic Calvinism. Proponents: Joseph Hussey John Skepp and some English primitive Baptists.

2. Ultra High Calvinism

Beliefs: That the elect are in some sense eternally justified. A denial of: The Well– Meant Offer; Common Grace; and God having any love for the non-elect. Proponents: John Gill, some ministers in the Protestant Reformed Church of America

3. High Calvinism

Beliefs: That God in no sense desires to save the reprobate, Most deny the Well-Meant Offer. Supralapsarian viewing God’s decrees. All hold to limited atonement. Most believe in particular grace and see the atonement as sufficient only for the elect. Proponents: Theodore Beza, Gordon Clark, Arthur Pink

4. Moderate Calvinism

Beliefs: That God does in some sense desires to save the reprobate, Infralapsarian in viewing God’s decrees. Affirms Common Grace. Proponents: John Calvin (some argue that he was a High-Calvinist), John Murray, RL Dabney

5. Low Calvinism

Beliefs: That Christ died for all in a legal sense, so one can speak of Christ dying for the non-elect. That God has two distinct wills. Affirms the Well-Meant Offer and Common Grace, Proponents: Amyraldrians , RT Kendal

6. Lutheranism

Beliefs: That Calvinist over emphasize God Sovereignty over man’s responsibility. That Christ died for all in legal sense, that some are predestined on to life but none are predestined onto death. That the sacraments are means of grace regardless of one’s faith. Proponents: Martin Luther, Philipp Melanchthon, Rod Rosenbladt

7. American Baptist

Beliefs: That God has given man libertarian freedom, that God’s knowledge of future is based on His foreknowledge. That Christ died for all and desires all to be saved. Once a persons believes the gospel, he is eternally secure. Rejects Calvinism, some would even call it heretical. Proponents: Jerry Falwell, Adrian Rogers

8. Arminianism

Beliefs: That God has given man libertarian freedom, that God’s knowledge of future is solely based on His foreknowledge. That Christ died for all and desires all to be saved. A person can fall from the state of grace i.e. lose ones salvation, since it is our free will that chooses Christ at conversion. Proponents: Jacob Arminius, John Wesley some Methodists

copyright Rev Jonathan James Goundry

Link: http://feileadhmor.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/calvinism-chart/
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My comments are in bold print.

A rather limited list.

6. Lutheranism (not complete)
Beliefs: That Calvinist over emphasize God Sovereignty over man’s responsibility. That Christ died for all in legal sense, that some are predestined on to life but none are predestined onto death. That the sacraments are means of grace regardless of one’s faith. Proponents: Martin Luther, Philipp Melanchthon, Rod Rosenbladt, Augustine.

While Lutherans believe in unconditional election, they believe in resistible grace after salvation, i.e. one can forfeit his salvation after believing by stopping trusting in Christ.

Jacob Arminius was a classic Arminian and did not believe a Christian could lost his salvation.

Other categories are Classic Arminians (believes a Christian can forfeit, but not lose, his salvation) and Wesleyan Arminians (believes a Christian can lose his salvation)

It is obvious that Goundry is into Calvinism, but has not really looked into Arminian beliefs.
 
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Robert Snow

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quantumfaith said:
:laugh::laugh:
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I wonder why no one has claimed to be Hyper-Calvinist. I appears to me that some here would qualify as such. and no, I don't mean this as an insult. If that is what someone believes, so be it. Maybe it's because it is the most extreme. People seldom like to consider themselves as the far end of most beliefs. We like to think we are the mainstream.
 
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Rippon

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saturneptune said:
Is Michael Servetus also a 2.5?
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M.S. was an ultra-heretic. He didn't qualify for any of the categories of the OP. All of the categories of the OP were for Christians -- not those who deny cardinal doctrines such as the Trinity.
 
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GBC Pastor

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I wonder why no one has claimed to be Hyper-Calvinist. I appears to me that some here would qualify as such. and no, I don't mean this as an insult. If that is what someone believes, so be it. Maybe it's because it is the most extreme. People seldom like to consider themselves as the far end of most beliefs. We like to think we are the mainstream.
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Naaah. It's just because Luke hasn't voted yet.
 
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westtexas

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Osage Bluestem said:
8. Arminianism

Beliefs: That God has given man libertarian freedom, that God’s knowledge of future is solely based on His foreknowledge. That Christ died for all and desires all to be saved. A person can fall from the state of grace i.e. lose ones salvation, since it is our free will that chooses Christ at conversion. Proponents: Jacob Arminius, John Wesley some Methodists
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drfuss has brought up differences between Arminius and Wesley but with the belief system exactly as your author has written, I voted #8 Arminianism
 
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Tom Butler

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westtexas, you jumped right in there, didn't you. Welcome to the Baptist Board. Before you go too much further, why not go up to the top thread "Welcome to the Baptist Board"," and tell us more about yourself. Give us all the details and don't leave out the juicy stuff.

Hope you enjoy your stay here.
 
Thousand Hills

Thousand Hills

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Other - Sinner saved by grace - I'm sure of that, the other things I'm not to settled on. I have a high view of God and recognize that Salvation is 100% of the Lord, I agree with T, U, and P, but have some problems with the definitions of L and I. I enjoy reading "most" of the debates here about this issue and usually glean some useful insight.
 
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webdog

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No option here allows for a non linear model, so my vote would be "other". I do not adhere to calvinism, and I also do not believe God looks through time to see what will happen. He exists in all points of time at the same time.
 
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Osage Bluestem

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pinoybaptist said:
1. I believe that God in His mercy chose a definite number of persons from a fallen and already condemned mankind to be the recipients of His grace and mercy;

2. That He gave these people to Christ as His gift to Him, and Him to them, and that Christ redeemed these people, and only they, with His blood;

3. That the names of these elect were written in the Lamb's Book of Life from the foundation of the world, and that Christ, as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, covered their guilt with His blood in eternity, and in time;

4. That God left the reprobates, or non-elect, to the consequences of their sin, not having predestinated them actively to hell and damnation;
5. That the elect come from all nations, tongues, races, and ages (chronology) of time;

6. That Christ had indeed successfully redeemed at the cross in time all for whom redemption was authored and that His blood atoned for all the sins of all the elect regardless of their chronological or geographical locations and that all among the elect who are born AFTER the cross are born redeemed, though unregenerate due to their descent from Adam;

7.That all the elect are preserved in Christ, and accepted in the beloved;

8.That the purpose of "missions" is to TEACH and save from timely errors in doctrine and practice, and that he who knows he is called of God to preach His good news to others must go IMMEDIATELY without regard for the approval of men or the pledges of support by any board, church, or individual and rely entirely on the one who called him for his needs.

I don't think the above classifies me Calvinist.
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Really? I do.

Perhaps you prefer to be called a biblicist? I know some calvinists who prefer to be called a biblicist. Either way, no matter what suit you put on you're the same underneith.
 
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blackbird

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webdog said:
No option here allows for a non linear model, so my vote would be "other". I do not adhere to calvinism, and I also do not believe God looks through time to see what will happen. He exists in all points of time at the same time.
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This is me, too!!

I've been to a few of those "Calvin" meetings while on seminary campus---you know---they all congregate in someone's dorm room for Bible study and when its time to start--someone locks the door!!

Gotta lock the doors to study Bible---gracious---as if the skinheads are out there ready to pounce!!----rumor had it that if anyone was caught proclaiming their calvin ways---they were expelled!!! Imagine that!! Made what they were doing sound "tuff" though-----though I kinda figure if anyone were expelled they were expelled by "stealth"

Not brave enough to proclaim their truths on the steps of the seminary library or to infiltrate chapel programming with their "foundings"

:saint::saint:
 
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glfredrick

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pinoybaptist said:
1. I believe that God in His mercy chose a definite number of persons from a fallen and already condemned mankind to be the recipients of His grace and mercy;

2. That He gave these people to Christ as His gift to Him, and Him to them, and that Christ redeemed these people, and only they, with His blood;

3. That the names of these elect were written in the Lamb's Book of Life from the foundation of the world, and that Christ, as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, covered their guilt with His blood in eternity, and in time;

4. That God left the reprobates, or non-elect, to the consequences of their sin, not having predestinated them actively to hell and damnation;
5. That the elect come from all nations, tongues, races, and ages (chronology) of time;

6. That Christ had indeed successfully redeemed at the cross in time all for whom redemption was authored and that His blood atoned for all the sins of all the elect regardless of their chronological or geographical locations and that all among the elect who are born AFTER the cross are born redeemed, though unregenerate due to their descent from Adam;

7.That all the elect are preserved in Christ, and accepted in the beloved;

8.That the purpose of "missions" is to TEACH and save from timely errors in doctrine and practice, and that he who knows he is called of God to preach His good news to others must go IMMEDIATELY without regard for the approval of men or the pledges of support by any board, church, or individual and rely entirely on the one who called him for his needs.

I don't think the above classifies me Calvinist.
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Point #8 (as well as your admitted lack of active evangelism and evangelistic mission activity) moves you to the hyper-Calvinist category.
 
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glfredrick

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Thousand Hills said:
Other - Sinner saved by grace - I'm sure of that, the other things I'm not to settled on. I have a high view of God and recognize that Salvation is 100% of the Lord, I agree with T, U, and P, but have some problems with the definitions of L and I. I enjoy reading "most" of the debates here about this issue and usually glean some useful insight.
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There are categories for that... Read the descriptions.
 
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pinoybaptist

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glfredrick said:
Point #8 (as well as your admitted lack of active evangelism and evangelistic mission activity) moves you to the hyper-Calvinist category.
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Interesting, but no, thank you.
I refuse the label, no offense meant.
Most here in the board, including the out and out Calvinists, disagree with me on point 6.
Don't you ?
 
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