It never happened - did it?

Well said.

 

Amen! :thumbsup:

 

Skip the spam version, here's the actual essay:

http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=1865

=Because they are the people who have given humanity its greatest minds, capable of changing the course of history: Christ, Marx, Einstein, Freud

 

Surely the headline, "ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ" is hyperbole. If not, I must be dead without knowing it. :laugh:

 

Some say that Jewish people rule the world. This thread is saying that all non-Jews are losers?

How many Baptists have earned international academic awards?

 

>The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

The Jews control the Federal Reserve System and dictate US foreign policy.

 

I'm not quite sure what this thread is saying, but comparing the number of Jews who have won academic awards to the number of baptists who have done so is not comparing like with like.

Those Jews who have the awards are Jews in the sense that they are natural descendants from Abraham. Baptists are baptists because of their beliefs.

Of course, things are different if we apply the term "Jew" in the way the apostle Paul does in Romans 2.28-29:

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
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Do we know how many of the Jews who "have earned international academic awards" are Jews merely by natural decent, and how many have had their hearts circumcised?

I know a similar question could be asked by people calling themselves baptists - how many are baptists in name only, and how many hold the beliefs in their hearts, but even so, no one is a baptist by natural descent.

 

> no one is a baptist by natural descent.

TRUE! This thread is actually about IQ and intelligence being inherited or a matter of training. Did these Jews earn these awards because their DNA caused them to be smarter than the rest of us or because their culture is superior to Christian culture?

It is the "Chinese/Japanese/Korean" side of the US "minority" coin and the bad-mouthing of black people on the baptistboard.com. Last 20 years - at least on the Left Coast - any time "racial" and "discrimination" problems are mention in the press the story is most always about black people and second, about "Hispanic" people. There are NEVER headline stories about Chinese/Japanese/Korean Americans earning all the school awards and having a higher median income than white people.

If black people are statistically below white people because white people don't like black people then are Asian-Americans superior to white Americans because White Americans like Asian-American people better than they like white people? Or is Asian-American culture superior to white culture? Or is their DNA superior?

BUT, AS YOU NOTE, the state of being "Baptist" is self selective and self designated. Out of all the 300 million assorted Americans, what causes some of them to designate themselves as Baptists? Is it cultural or DNA? Do Baptists have other social characteristics that can be statistically analyzed?

It has been 15 or 20 years since I have read "The Bell Curve." One of the observations the book noted was that Fundamentalist Christians were statistically under represented in corporate board rooms and Episcopal Christians were over represented. Do people who self-select as a fundamentalist instinctively reject other human attitudes and associations which would move them up the corporate food chain - the human food chain?

 

How do you get all this from the article? Have an ax to grind?

 

That you would ask such a silly question merely tells us that you are not familiar with our billwald. :laugh:

He is rarely if ever on topic.

His posts are always incomprehensible. :laugh:

 

Thanks for the reply, Bill. I think I see the point of the thread a bit better now. But your reply does raise some concerns in my mind:

Except in a comparatively few cases, I don't know the ethnic origin of the various members of the Baptist Board. So I must say that I haven't noticed what you call "the 'Chinese/Japanese/Korean' side of the US 'minority' coin and the bad-mouthing of black people on the baptistboard.com." And I don't understand your leap from what you think happens here on the baptistboard.com to what appears or doesn't appear in the press, I assume the American press. And on a trivial matter, which coast is the "left coast"? I would have thought it depended on which way you were facing.

It is neither cultural nor DNA (unless things are completely different in the USA to what they are here). I am a baptist, yet I do not live in a culture which is baptistic, and although I have done some research into my family tree, I have not found a single ancestor who was a baptist. I am sure most baptists would say the same.

As for your question about other social characteristics of baptists, I would say no. Some baptists are rch, some poor; some are highly intelligent (not me!!!), and some are not; some are married, and some are single; some have children and some do not.....and so the list could go on.

I know what a bell curve is, but I have not come across the book. A search on the internet tells me that it is highly controversial. For instance, this link starts by saying:

The Bell Curve is a controversial book published in 1994 by R. J. Herrnstein and Charles Murray exploring the role of intelligence in understanding social problems in America. The title is a reference to the bell-shaped graph of IQ scores (see normal distribution).
The book is organized around the relationship of race and intelligence, suggesting that a "cognitive elite", a social stratum of persons with both high wealth and high intelligence, could emerge among whites, sealing themselves off from the rest of society. As part of this, they argued that blacks had lower IQ scores than whites and this disparity was caused by such genetic factors.
While the book received a respectful hearing in the mainstream media, it was widely dismissed by scientists and some critics denounced the book and its authors as supporting scientific racism.
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I am not in any position to comment on the specific matter of U.S. board rooms.

 

>Except in a comparatively few cases, I don't know the ethnic origin of the various members of the Baptist Board.

Seems to me awhile back pole in the pole section indicated around 95% white.


> So I must say that I haven't noticed what you call "the 'Chinese/Japanese/Korean' side of the US 'minority' coin

That was my point! They are never mentioned in the press as "minorities."

> and the bad-mouthing of black people on the baptistboard.com.

By inference and innuendo.

> And I don't understand your leap from what you think happens here on the baptistboard.com to what appears or doesn't appear in the press, I assume the American press.

OK, I was unclear.


>And on a trivial matter, which coast is the "left coast"? I would have thought it depended on which way you were facing.

Map of USA, North on top, left coast on left (west) side. In the US also refers to the left leaning population of the west coast.




>>Quote:
>>Originally Posted by billwald
>>BUT, AS YOU NOTE, the state of being "Baptist" is self selective and self designated. Out of all the 300 million assorted Americans, what causes some of them to designate themselves as Baptists? Is it cultural or DNA? Do Baptists have other social characteristics that can be statistically analyzed?


>It is neither cultural nor DNA (unless things are completely different in the USA to what they are here). I am a baptist, yet I do not live in a culture which is baptistic, and although I have done some research into my family tree, I have not found a single ancestor who was a baptist. I am sure most baptists would say the same.

The South Eastern states are called "The Bible Belt" because of the regional Baptist culture.

>As for your question about other social characteristics of baptists, I would say no. Some baptists are rch, some poor; some are highly intelligent (not me!!!), and some are not; some are married, and some are single; some have children and some do not.....and so the list could go on.

OK.

>>Quote:
>>Originally Posted by billwald
>>It has been 15 or 20 years since I have read "The Bell Curve." One of the observations the book noted was that Fundamentalist Christians were statistically under represented in corporate board rooms and Episcopal Christians were over represented. Do people who self-select as a fundamentalist instinctively reject other human attitudes and associations which would move them up the corporate food chain - the human food chain?


>I know what a bell curve is, but I have not come across the book. A search on the internet tells me that it is highly controversial. For instance, this link starts by saying:
The Bell Curve is a controversial book published in 1994 by R. J. Herrnstein and Charles Murray exploring the role of intelligence in understanding social problems in America. The title is a reference to the bell-shaped graph of IQ scores (see normal distribution).

True. I read it cover to cover and have a copy someplace.

>The book is organized around the relationship of race and intelligence,

FALSE. The reference to race was very short and toward the end. It could have and probably should have been omitted. The premise of the books would be the same.

>suggesting that a "cognitive elite", a social stratum of persons with both high wealth and high intelligence, could emerge among whites, sealing themselves off from the rest of society.

DID emerge, has existed for years.

>As part of this, they argued that blacks had lower IQ scores than whites and this disparity was caused by such genetic factors.

NOT correct. The thesis is that IQ is generally predictive of social success in 20th century USA. Only one short section
was about race. The bulk was about IQ in general.

>While the book received a respectful hearing in the mainstream media, it was widely dismissed by scientists and some critics denounced the book and its authors as supporting scientific racism.

I did NOT read any criticism of the methodology, only of the conclusion of the very short "race" chapter.

I try to make the point whenever possible that the press is continually mentioning the poor and oppressed black people and never about the superior (to white people) Chinese/Japanese/Korean Americans. White Americans can't tolerate the thought that anyone might be "better" then they (we) are and no one one is going to sell newspapers by reminding white people that they are becoming 2nd class citizens.

No, it does not offend me that some other people are smarter, better educated, richer, or harder working than I am. I have more than I need or deserve.

 

Goodness, do you really believe that.....

It is all nonsense anyway as Western Civilisation is in its decline, in 50 odd years and probably sooner Islam will have supplanted the West, IMHO.

 

In response to the original article, I believe the difference between the two cultures is based on the value of life. The Jewish culture places a high value on human worth & therefore seek to improve & honor that life. Islamic culture reflects a fundamental, systematic devaluation of human life.

 

The question is how much Hyperbole...

The contrast made was that in a vain attempt at redemption european thought went to a tolerance that has allowed Islam to dictate and squelch a lot of True European Thought, Culture and Renaissance.

As we see the state of Europe today... It's hard not to believe that it is at least dying in a sea of Islam, if not dead already?

 

> which coast is the "left coast"

In the northern hemisphere, most maps are oriented with north on the top and west on the left. Maps of Australia confuse me. <G>