Conditional Election

The only credibility that is lowered is that of Calvinists who do not recognize their doctrine when posted. Note how my version matches the version posted by Iconoclast.

 

Strange that the author of Hebrews saw it from the view that Jesus as the High priest can keep ETERNALLY those who draw nigh unto Him...
Jude gave praise to God the ftaher and Jesus, who ARE to keep from stumbling , to keep forever, those of the faith..
John recorded that jesus dsaid that he will keep and raise up at last day ALL those whom the Father had given him...

Does this sound like "conditional Election?"

Yes, we are chosen conditionally, bases on God crediting our faith as righteousness, but once we are chosen we are placed in Christ, redeemed, and now we are saved forever and no condition, our subsequent sin, will cause us to loose our positional sanctification in Christ. No one can take us out of His hand not even ourselves because God protects our faith, 1 Peter 1:3-5

 

Hi J.D. I may well be way off. But your job is to use specific scriptures to correct my errant views. Election is conditional, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, James 2:5, but salvation to eternal life is not conditional once actually saved, its settled.

 

"Irresistible Grace (or efficacious grace) is a doctrine in Christian theology particularly associated with Calvinism which teaches that the saving grace of God is effectually applied to those whom he has determined to save (the elect), whereby in God's timing, he overcomes their resistance to the call of the gospel and irresistibly brings them to a saving faith in Christ."

ROFLOL, that is what I said.

Calvinist said this was not the doctrine of Irresistible Grace, but in every aspect it has been shown to be exactly that. So the claim that it was not was simply as I said a denial of the doctrine of grace called Irresistible Grace.

 

No, I was not addressing our capacity to resist the Holy Spirit, or even "Common Grace"

I was addressing conditional election devoid of the doctrine of "Irresistible Grace."

Irresistible Grace is demonstrated false doctrine by Matthew 23:13, where men are "entering heaven" yet are turned away by false doctrine. According to Calvinism, unless a person has been altered from their condition of total spiritual inablity, they could not be entering heaven. But, because they were turned away, the grace that allowed them to be entering heaven was not irresistible.

Therefore, both the T and I in TULIP are false doctrines.

As far as Conditional Election, I was not talking about Conditional Salvation where if you stumble you lose your inheritance reserved in Heaven. Once actually saved, its settled. 1 Peter 1:3-5.

But God elects (chooses) individuals for salvation based on crediting their faith as righteousness, therefore His election for salvation is conditional, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, James 2:5, John 1:12-13 and so forth.

 

The issues concerning describing faith as a work are: (1) a salvation not of works would suggest it is not based on a work (not true but there it is); (2) after salvation we are a new creation, created for good works, so our "work of faith" after salvation refers to our faithful faith, a faith that is alive as shown by works; and (3) if our belief and trust in the gospel is our work rather than God's "gift of faith", does that not make our faith a work of merit?

Jesus referred to our trusting in Him as a work of God. Calvinists see "work of God" as something God did, but that view ignores the context. Jesus was answering the question "what can we do - so the action of the people and not God is being addressed - to work the works of God and Jesus replied, the work of God - meaning the work God requires of you - is to believe. John 6:28-29

After we are saved and regenerated as a new creation, we follow Christ and abide in His teachings, making disciples and teaching them as ambassadors of Christ. This is our work of faith.

Our placing our faith in Christ is not a work of merit and thus contributing to our salvation. It is God who credits our worthless filthy rag faith as righteousness, so our faith had no merit in and of itself. Romans 5:2 says our faith in Christ provides our access to God's grace. And Romans 4:4-5 says God credits our faith as righteousness.

 

Freeatlast, thumbs up!!

 

"Which as I said, it's only irresistible to the elect at a certain time. All you are doing is showing somebody resisting which is perfectly acceptable with the doctrine."

Yet another logical absurdity? They were entering heaven. They could not have been entering heaven if they had no spiritual ability. They had to have been altered which then irresistibly causes them to come to faith. There is no escape. Irresistible Grace is false doctrine.

We now have the new doctrine, created to address Matthew 23:13. God at one point in time alters the person so they can be "entering heaven" yet withholds irresistible compulsion to another, conveniently not in scripture, time where indeed this same folks did enter heaven.

Calvinism is not biblical, it revises scripture to fit man-made doctrine.