My Position on the Fourth Commandment

It's not that I don't know when I'm being insulted, but hard for me to believe one of your stature, and standing on the Board as a Christian could allow such to come from your mouth.

Surely you know what you say is an untruth for I gave you a dictionary meaning of the world since. I know you can read, and I'll not insult you with when we Read, and are to try and comprehend what we are reading; just saying you refuse to entertain truth that has been shown to you.

You wrote words in your previous post to me, showing to all what I said was true. Do you now say you did not mean what you said? That does happen some time, and all we have to do is admit it, claim out of context, Linguistics Foreign, or revert to name-calling.

I proved the 72 houses in the heart of the earth, and His coming forth on the first day of the next week. You do not accept that, even though you cannot come close to proving a Thursday crucifixion.

The women that day of Nisan 18 arrived as the Sun was beginning to come up, and they saw Him not; neither did they see the guards. The women were not there when the stone was rolled away. I would say He was reviving, and praying to His Father, and then Mary sees Him. She is then able to see, and talk to Him, but not touch Him (John 20:17).

I have given you proof you've never seen laid out before, and you can't disprove, except with your misunderstanding of what the word SINCE can mean. Why do you pit Luke against what Jesus said? I have disproved your theory of Thursday. Can you offer a 72-hour accounting by time and day to make it agree with scripture? I have done so Wednesday, and will appreciate if you can do the same to prove the Thursday crucifixion.

 

GE:

Dear Ituttut, I have my differences with Dr Walter, and I too often cannot control myself so cross I get with him; but chum, you are the wrong one in this conversation. I mean, the confused one. Gracious, you are far worse than Dr Walter!

I don't know why you did not join the conversation in the "Three days thick darkness" thread I invited you to.

I don't want to go on on this thread because it is soon to be closed because of its length, and I also don't want to go on on this thread because it contains too many subjects and is getting too repetitive of the same things.

So come over to "Three days thick darkness" and perhaps you will find the light there or The Light might find you, there....

Cordially
GE

 

To answer your last first, I totally agree, it is difficult to try and keep up with the Bible is telling us, and then try to answer not just one person, but two, and sometimes more. But I believe this helps us to keep our Sword going forward, while at the same time trying hold up the shield.

The subject itself is confusing to us, and believe for a purpose. I do believe God wishes us to Study His Word in order for us to try and understand Him. I believe the Holy Spirit helps, knowing what is in our hearts as we search His Word. You know as well as I that such as scriptures involved, has puzzled all humanity, trying to make what seems contradictory, not to contradict. I also believe the Holy Sprit had the writers to say exactly what He wanted each to say, in their own words, at the time appointed.

Any way, I view our conversation as friendly, showing what God has allowed us to see.

The first thing we see in the very beginning, God divides. For my pt I see a full three complete days (Day times, and then Night times, each determined by God to be 12 hours for each by the setting of the Sun, and then its arising, or 72 hours fulfilled, as days blend together. I agree with what you say, viz. "demonstrates he was in the grave for a PARTIAL day." You may not yet see what I am saying. I do not believe as so very many, that a partial day, in its fullness, falls short of 24 hours. They have convinced people that a partial should mean the day falls short of being 24 hours. They must shorten God's days in order to fit what they believe. I do not believe what they believe, as I had rather believe what God says.

I'll reiterate. I do not believe when I die, my soul, and spirit remains in my Body until I am buried, cremated, eaten by animals, or just waste away. I believe at death I will immediately be in heaven (without a body). With this thinking I know Jesus was in Paradise, and He welcomed the thief on the Cross on that very day. We know Jesus died at 3pm, and not told the time the thief died, but Jesus says it is the same day.


What about His Body? Did it go with HIM? It was put into the earth on that very same Day, about three (3) hours later, just as the Sun was going down, and Seventhly two (72) hours later, just as the Sun was setting, the Stone was rolled away. The guards were still there, and evidently became unconsciouss. The women were not there at the beginning of this Sunday, which began at 6pm.

Did Jonah, after being in the belly of the fish immediately jump up? We know he didn't, and we know Jesus did not either. They both talked to God first, and then went forward. It took a little time, but He was no longer sealed in, when that 72 hour period had passed. He was out of the Tomb sometime before the women arrived.

 

apology accepted.

But to use your Thursday will dispute scripture, for the women did not put their spices on in the next day, which was Thursday, Nisan 15, a High Holy Sabbath Day; and just as they wished to do, could not be done on a High Sabbath Day. And neither could they offer Him their ointments on Friday because of the Guards, and the Tomb was sealed. The same applies to Saturday the Sabbath, and also they could not do it on a Sabbath, regardless of other circumstances.


Sunday then is the only day that was able to offer their preparations. They never got to do it. Doesn't it make sense if as you say Jesus was put into the grave at 6pm, on Thursday, the beginning of their day, which actually begins just as the Sun is setting? Wouldn't your reasoning then tell you He must have been crucified on Wednesday? tWould this be correct? Doesn't scripture say it was 3pm when He expired? Thursday is impossible, as are all other days with the exception of Wednesday.


Three Days Since? It was three (3) days since it happened. Doesn't this mean it happened yesterday, and it is now 3 days since it happened?

 

Dear GE thanks for the invite, but I came to this party, and see you decided to leave. I kinda like it here. Perhaps later.

Agree this thread could be shut down at any time, and if so, would be an incentive to see you there, with your humor. Have you seen the number of posts on "What's For Dinner?

I am not on the Board as often, and continuously as some, else I would accept your invitation. If I don't make it to your party, then perhaps we may run into each other somewhere else.

 

Quarter hour left. All right, midnight my glass shoes may turn into ghost pumpkins, so I'll have to dance dat die stof so staan. See you tomorrow or the day after God willing...

 

Concentrating on IT’s stuff here re-arranged to statements and replies, I answer as follows…

First, keep in mind, my answer excludes conversation after as far as it got up to here recorded.
Also, I answer relevant ‘issues’; no irrelevancies like, “Israel is made Holy by religious rites.”

IT:
“Jesus arose from the dead on the Sabbath day, the seventh day of the week. This agrees with all scripture. In this knowledge we then can determine without question the day He was laid in the Tomb. A Wednesday; Right?”

GE:

I’ll call this delivery,

'Four days, even Five days…. Yea, SIX ‘days’'

“Jesus arose from the dead on the Sabbath day”, you say.

Yes; that is what I also believe. But I must assume you also meant, “on the third day”— “THE, third day according to the SCRIPTURES” and its Prophecy, so that Jesus arose from the dead “on the third day” that in the year He died Our Sacrifice, was the Sabbath Day— “the seventh day of the week”.

I assume you mean “This agrees with all scripture”?
But then, take what you – not I – say, and tell me why I get 5 yes FIVE days, nothing near like “the third day according to the Scriptures”!

How?

Well, you say, “the day He was laid in the Tomb. A Wednesday…”. Remember, as you, say! Then, if in the Bible, ‘days’, begin with evening-after-sunset, He was crucified and died on the Tuesday BEFORE.

‘Days’ – in the Bible – begin with evening-after-sunset, hey! That’s why – check Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31,38,40 Luke 23:50 – these Scriptures say, “It …” – on the NEW day AFTER He had died – “It ALREADY (‘ehdeh’) having been EVENING(‘opsias’) BECAUSE (‘epei’), The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath having begun” (‘ehdeh opsias genomenehs epei ehn Paraskeueh’, Ingressive Aorist), Joseph went to Pilate to ask if he could have Jesus’ body that was STILL on the cross: “IN ORDER TO according to the ethics / law of the Jews” = Law of the Scriptures and Prophecy, “bury (Him).”

So – no matter what kind of ‘days’ – Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, “the Sabbath day” = 5 = FIVE ‘days’! Whatever might remain of your theory, this single fact it demands FIVE days of the earth’s rotation, nullifies it COMPLETELY.

Even – according to you in your own words again – from, “The sacrifice is … (sacrificed) on Nisan 14” and is “sealed In on The Same Day”, FOUR days are involved until Jesus rose up again on “the Sabbath day”, because He would have risen on a FOURTH day, not, “on the third day” as the Scriptures and the Prophesies and the Law have it.

So, says IT, “The sacrifice is made ready on Nisan 14 … Sealed In on The Same Day.” – “Wednesday”; “arose on the Sabbath day” = 2 days. Plus – so, says IT –, Thursday and Friday in between “Wednesday” and “Sabbath”, FOUR days are involved which requires that Jesus on the fourth of those days rose again, and no longer as the Scriptures say, “on the THIRD day”— no matter what ‘days’ whether just ordinary days one after the other or ‘holy days’ set apart for and as some specific “three days” “according to the Scriptures” of Jesus’ FINAL SUFFERING. It makes no difference, it stays four days at least.

So according to Ituttut,

A: If sacrificed as well as buried on the “Same Day” and “arose on the Sabbath day” = 4 FOUR days;
B: If according to Ituttut, Jesus “arose on the Sabbath day” and was “laid in the Tomb. A Wednesday…” but according to the Scriptures, was “laid in the Tomb” on the day AFTER “The sacrifice is made ready on Nisan 14”, = 5 FIVE days and not at all, “on the third day according to the Scriptures”.

And therefore, sure, “In this knowledge we then can determine without question the day He was laid in the Tomb”, “A Wednesday”? Wrong simply because of the wrong number of days implicated!

IT:

“Dear friend, if I'm not mistaken you said He arose from the dead on the Sabbath. Three days in the ground, just as He said, and He tells us in the beginning how many hours are in a Day (day/night).He says 72 hours. What does man say?”

Answer ….

Yes, I do maintain Christ “arose from the dead on the Sabbath”. But that not in the least demands “Three days in the ground” or, “72 hours”.
“What does man say?” That’s what man says— Ituttut. Not “He”, Jesus. “72 hours”, is NOT, what “He says”; “Three days in the ground…, is NOT, “just as He said”.

Nothing more needs be said while these things are NOT what Jesus said. You may just as well be ignored flat, Ituttut, your assertions being so unrealistic they are as good as never being said.

So what does it matter “how many hours are in a Day (day/night)”? In any case, a ‘day’ in the Bible, Old and New Testaments, isn’t “a Day (day/night)”; it’s a ‘day: night / day’.

Ituttut:

“Jesus was also specifically referring to the ground under our feet. Strong's Greek "ge" can mean "Ground", and Heart (Greek "kardia") broken heart.”

Answer ….

No, Jesus was NOT “specifically referring to the ground under our feet”; He was specifically referring to “the PROPHET, Jonas”. Jesus meant the Scriptures— Prophesy; and the fulfilment of the Scriptures and Prophesy by Himself through his own experience. Not with one word was Jesus “specifically referring to the ground under our feet”, not even with having used the word “earth”, because He meant “earth”, “AS the prophet Jonas” who in the belly of the fish was not near under the ground in any sense than figurative as were he “under the foundations of the mountains under the sea”– which literally was no deeper under them than in the waters of the sea above them. There is no way “specifically” one can take Jesus’ words literally as “the ground under our feet”, except for the real historic PROGRESSION-IN-TIME of Jesus’ last and earthly suffering according to God’s will and prophetic Word of _THE_ “three days”, “according to the Scriptures”.

Now about your claim, “Strong's Greek "ge" can mean "Ground", and Heart (Greek "kardia") broken heart.””

Sorry. Denied!

As I have before answered you on “the verse … Matthew 12:40”, “in the HEART of the earth” is figurative language … in ANY language. Jesus was NOT “referring to the ground under our feet” whatsoever.

About, “Jesus was laid in the heart of the Rock, on the Ground in the Tomb. A stone sealed Him in. Jonah was sealed inside the special New Fish.”

Maybe you will win a prose competition with this, but no exegetical skills.

Re: IT,
“Three days, and three nights Johan's body was sealed inside the Fish, and three days, and three nights Jesus' body was sealed in the Tomb, while He lay on the ground. I am not saying this cannot have a double meaning, for it does, but to not contradict all other scripture we must make this verse in Matthew mean what it says.”

You are saying your own thing; not what “this verse in Matthew” means or, says. You are making this verse say what Ituttut means and says, single meaning or “double meaning”, giving it no meaning at all only “to contradict all other scripture”.

Take “sealed inside … three days, and three nights Jesus' body … in the Tomb, while He lay on the ground.”
It’s absurd;
what about the time He was judged and crucified and unburied? Altogether it would need SIX days by now!

Yes, “THREE DAYS” suffered Jesus dying the death of death, was He betrayed, convicted, condemned, abused and judged and abused and hanged and died; and was He deserted, and taken from the cross and away and his body treated and prepared and processed and brought to the tomb and bewailed and “laid in the place” and closed indoor and “sealed inside” “the next day after” Matthew 27:62 and YET ANOTHER “… three days, and three nights Jesus' body (was) in the Tomb, while He lay on the ground”!— SIX – 6 – FULL DAYS!

Where are you going to end up, Itututt? Eternity?

So, again, your arguments amounting to nothing, they cannot have bearing at all, on the question about on which days of the week Jesus died and rose again.

 

Re:
Ituttut:
“He arose on the Third (3rd) day, which was the seventh day of the week, on the regular Sabbath. How do we know this? If we keep reading in Matthew 27, we come to verse 61, and 62. "And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.
62. Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate". The Next day is Nisan 15, the God appointed High Sabbath Day. Nisan 15, every year follows Nisan 14. We are told He was slaughtered on Nissan 14, which can only be on a Wednesday.”

Answer:

“If we keep reading in Matthew 27 … we know this … He arose on the Third (3rd) day, which was the seventh day of the week, on the regular Sabbath.”

Reading Matthew 27 does make it clear that the Sabbath was “the third day”, sure; but not in the way you are looking at it.

Verse 62 stating that it was “the day after the preparations” or “the day after the Preparation Day”, directly without any day in between, connects the day upon which the Jews asked Pilate to have the grave sealed, with “the regular Sabbath”, “… which is after …” it, “the day after the Preparation Day”.

You, Ituttut, are alleging there incurred one day between “The Preparation” referred to in verse 62, and “the regular Sabbath” … absolutely without reason.

In fact, “the next day which was after The Preparation Day” before it (immediately before it), was “the regular Sabbath” after this “Preparation Day” upon which John also, in 19:42, wrote, “They laid the body of Jesus BY THE TIME / BECAUSE OF the Jews’ preparations”— “preparations” naturally and regularly done for the pending, “regular Sabbath”— those preparations and that Preparation Day that were the exact same about which Luke wrote, “the women returned home and prepared, (also) spices and ointments and (afterwards) began to rest the Sabbath-according-to-the-(Fourth)-Commandment”— that exact same “Preparation Day …” which with the “… evening…” BEFORE (‘Thursday night / Friday day’) “… ALREADY had had begun it having been the Fore-Sabbath” the unique “Fore-Sabbath” namely, of the ‘weekly’ “Sabbath”.

Which “Sabbath” again, Mark in 16:1 wrote, that “after the Sabbath had gone through”, the three women, “bought spices”, obviously for Salome who had not been present at the Burial the Preparation Day before, also to prepare, “So that, when they would go, they (all three of them) might / could anoint Him.”

If there is one thing all four Gospels are clear and unanimous about, it is the daily sequence of events of the Last Week and especially the “three days” of Jesus’ earthly life’s sufferings “according to the Scriptures”.

Therefore, reading Matthew 27 does make it clear “He arose on the Third (3rd) day, which was the seventh day of the week,” but not in the way you are looking at it, because for you, “Nisan 14” on which “we are told He was slaughtered … can only be on a Wednesday” for absolutely NO APPARENT REASON! And because for you, TWO, non-existing days, (Nisan 15 AND ‘Nisan 16’), occurred in between this “Nisan 14 … Wednesday” and “the regular Sabbath”.

You can date them what you want, it stays an untrue, INEXPLICABLE, mess!

 

Does it?
Every gospel attests to Christ arising on the first day of the week; our Sunday.

In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. (Matthew 28:1)
He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. (Matthew 28:6)

And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. (Mark 16:1-2)

Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. (Mark 16:9)

Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. (Luke 24:1)
And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, (Luke 24:5-6)

The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. (John 20:1)
And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. (John 20:14)

 

Now, on a more positive note, Ituttut….

Reading Matthew 27, does make it clear that the Sabbath was “the third day”, for another two reasons than the fact that it was “the next day which is after The Preparation” the day of Burial, the fifteenth day of the First Month.

One,

That Sabbath Day inferred in Matthew 26:62 is specifically – “bluntly” – referred to by the Jews (63b) as “the third day” of which Jesus had “said … after three days I will rise again.” (Mark 8:31)

Jesus also said, “the third day, I FINISH”; and “God (through and in Jesus Christ) the Seventh Day FINISHED.”

“The third day” in the Passover of Yahweh equals “Seventh Day Sabbath of Yahweh Elohim”, because “God thus concerning the Seventh Day spake, And God the Seventh Day from all his works, RESTED”. “God rested” “by the exceeding greatness of his Power having raised Christ from the dead”; “If Jesus had given them rest … there therefore remains a Sabbath-rest-/keeping for God’s People, He having entered into His Own Rest as God in his own”, “In the Sabbath’s Day”.

“The third day” and “the Sabbath Day” in the Life and Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ perfectly agree— in Fulfilment and Prophesy; in Content and Essence; in event and circumstance; and even in time and sequence of days both of date and of week.

Two,

Read Matthew 27 from verse 62 to chapter 28:4 without the chapter brake between 27:66 and 28:1. Then the Jews and the Romans “on the next morning which is after the Preparation” of the Sabbath Day, make sure to keep Jesus’ grave shut, thinking they could prevent Him to rise from the grave and dead again … “BUT FULLNESS OF THE SABBATH IN THE VERY MID-INCLINING DAYLIGHT towards the First Day of the week : SUDDENLY THERE WAS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE …” and Jesus ROSE from the dead and grave DESPITE the Jew’s best efforts to keep Him in the grip of hell!

“Thou that destroyest the temple and buildest it in three days, save thyself!”
Jesus answered, having raised from the dead “the third day according to the Scriptures”, “The Sabbath”— “The Sabbath of : THE LORD thy GOD”, “(it) being-in-the-epi-centre-of-Sabbath’s-fullness-and-fulfilment”. Matthew’s words.

“The Sabbath” in and of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, is “The Sabbath” and “the third day” in its “God-given and therefore imperative eschatological fullness and wholeness”… (Lohmeyer’ words.) … here, quote : “(Jesus Christ) whom God RAISED-UP-HAVING-LOOSED-THE-PAINS-OF-DEATH” – which is the PERFECT EQUIVALENT OF THE OLD TESTAMENT’S, “… and God the Seventh Day from all his works : RESTED!”

 

GE:
This must be as short as possible; time is a factor ....

First, we - you and I - before have discussed this 'issue'.

Now what could I answer different than what I answered you last time?

I must to be honest deny your every claim; I have no option - and for one reason only - that the Scriptures never say that Christ rose on the First day of the week.

You have yourself quoted every possible pertinent text. NOT ONE says what you claim it says, frankly.

Matthew 28:1
"In the end _OF THE SABBATH- / SABBATH'S(-time)_, as it began to dawn ("daylight in mid-declining") _TOWARD_ / _against_ / _before_ the First Day of the week, _SET OUT_ Mary Magdalene and the other Mary _TO_ (go) see the sepulchre WHEN THERE SUDDENLY WAS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE."

He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. (Matthew 28:6)

SURE!


Mark 16:1-2,
"And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun."

SURE!
So? When was the resurrection? Where does it mention the Resurrection?


Mark 16:9,
"Now when Jesus was risen, early the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils."

See what I did?
Because "AS-THE-RISEN-ONE, He - Jesus - _APPEARED_ to Mary ...". NOT 'rose to Mary', hihihi.


Luke 24:1,5,6,
"Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

First VISIT just after midnight “deep(est) morning-of-night”.

And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they (the angles) said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee." ...

"The third day I FINISH"; "God the Seventh Day RESTED." "I have finished the work which Thou gavest Me to do." "God the Seventh Day FINISHED."


John 20:1,
"The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was YET EARLY DARKNESS, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre and runneth and cometh to Simon Peter...

Clever change to God's Word, but not clever enough!

In any case, NO Resurrection occurring, just FIRST SIGHT of moved away door-stone - OUTSIDE grave.


John 20:14,
"And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus."

Yes, "Mary HAD HAD STOOD AFTER without at the sepulchre", verse 11, after a visit NOT MENTIONED IN JOHN, but in Mark 16:2-8, when one would expect the gardener to begin work, sunrise, she saw Jesus approaching at a distance AWAY FROM THE TOMB. NO Resurrection!

So yes,
APPEARANCE described, "FIRST, to Mary Magdalene", according to Mark16:9

Where's the Resurrection?

ONLY in Matthew 28:1-4, "Explained / Described / Informed the angel the women, telling them .... 28:5A!!!!!!!!! on Sunday morning after sunrise because after first appearance to Mary "early (sunrise) on the First Day of the week.

 

It is on the first day of the week, which for some strange reason you seem to deny.

Now when he had risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons. (Mark 16:9)

It is as plain as the nose on your face.
He rose early on the first day of the week. You can't get any clearer than that.

 

GE:

I must to be honest deny your every claim; I have no option - and for one reason only - that the Scriptures never say that Christ rose on the First day of the week. You have yourself quoted every possible pertinent text. NOT ONE says what you claim it says.

Of Course the Resurrection is right through all the Gospels the implied and accepted, and presupposed and conditional fact of truth, but no word about its occurrence as such, where it is said, that “Jesus rose”, exists anywhere in the Gospels. It is ONLY Matthew 28:1-4 where some extrinsic data that surrounded Jesus’ actual resurrection, is provided.

DHK first refers to Matthew; but Matthew should be mentioned last, because “the angel”, AT LAST, “explained to the women” in such a way that they for the first time could understand the angel’s message of Jesus’ resurrection. That explanation of the angel’s is found in verses 1 to 4! No other Gospel “explained” how or when Jesus actually, rose.

But DHK mentions Matthew first, so let’s consider it first….

Matthew 28:1,
"In the end _OF THE SABBATH- / SABBATH'S(-time)_, as it began to dawn ("daylight in mid-declining") _TOWARD_ / _against_ / _before_ the First Day of the week, _SET OUT_ Mary Magdalene and the other Mary _TO_ (go) see the sepulchre WHEN THERE SUDDENLY WAS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE."

So this “gospel attests to Christ arising on the first day of the week; our Sunday”…???

Never!!!

This gospel attests to Christ arising “Sabbath’s”, yes!
“He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. (Matthew 28:6)”— DHK quoting the angel who BY NOW the morning AFTER the Resurrection,
“ANSWERING = informing = explaining to the women, the angel told them” with detailed information of day, “Sabbath’s”; time, “late, in the mid-afternoon”; and circumstance, “suddenly there was a great earthquake” WHEN Jesus HAD resurrected from the dead the day BEFORE. Verses 1-4.

So now, on Sunday morning, “The angel explaining” is FURTHER “telling the women, He is risen … etc.”, like that He as the Risen One would go to Galilee where the disciples would see Him again “as He had told you” before his death in fact. Meantime Jesus was nearby still, and would meet these women within minutes later in person.

So the angel ‘informed’ these women, shortly after Jesus had “first appeared to Mary Magdalene” on that ‘Sunday’ morning “early” (Mark 16:9), and shortly before He next on that ‘Sunday’ morning would ‘meet’ them, these women, “as they” too, “went to tell the disciples” about the angel’s instructive message, Matthew 28:10.

Mary Magdalene WAS NOT ONE of these women because Jesus had had appeared to her already, “early”, on ‘Sunday’ morning Mark 16:9, about sunrise when a gardener would begin to work, John 20:11-17. “Thus The Risen (Saviour), Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene FIRST, early on the First Day of the week” before anyone else, a token of Jesus’ full acceptance of her, her sins and all. But Mary Magdalene by the time that Jesus “met” the other women on their way to tell the disciples, was with the disciples already, busy telling them that He had appeared to her, 28:18.

The Gospels give SEPARATE, and DIFFERENT, events, Matthew clearly the events accompanying the Resurrection “in the mid-afternoon of the Sabbath Day”, the after-afternoon and the whole following night BEFORE the angel's final explanation or Jesus’ first appearances.

John 20:11-17 / Mark 16:9 and Matthew 28:5-10 pertain to the LAST TWO of FOUR SEPARATE and DIFFERENT, VISITS of women at the tomb during the course of that ‘early Sunday morning’, but only Matthew, also gives the information about the Resurrection “On the Sabbath Day”, BEFORE!

So, while John 20:11-17 / Mark 16:9 and Matthew 28:5-10 pertain to the LAST TWO of FOUR SEPARATE and DIFFERENT, VISITS of women at the tomb during the course of that ‘early Sunday morning’, the EARLIER visits were …
One, …the visit according to Luke 24:1,2 when the women thinking the body was in the sepulchre still, “came with spices prepared” to anoint Him, just after midnight, “deep(est) morning” of night; and they discovered the grave was EMPTY.

Two, …the visit that night’s morning, according to Mark 16:2-8, an ascertaining, “re-viewing” visit, “VERY early (before) sunrising”— which caused that the women “fled from the tomb and told no one anything so afraid were they...”, “…BUT! Mary Magdalene had stayed behind at the sepulchre weeping…” John 20:11f.

Yes, "Mary HAD HAD STOOD AFTER without at the sepulchre", verse 11, after a visit NOT MENTIONED IN JOHN, but in Mark 16:2-8, when one would expect the gardener to begin work, sunrise, when she saw Jesus approaching at a distance AWAY FROM THE TOMB.

NO ACTUAL Resurrection in either of Mark 16:2-8 and John 20 anywhere!

Mark 16:1-2,
"And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun."

So? When was the resurrection? Where does it mention the Resurrection?
In any case, verse 1 does not even mention a visit at the grave! How can it “attest to Christ arising on the first day of the week; our Sunday”?!

Mark 16:9,
"Now when Jesus was risen, early the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils."

See what I did?
Because "AS-THE-RISEN-ONE, He - Jesus - _APPEARED_ to Mary ...”. NOT 'rose to Mary', hihihi.

Luke 24:1,5,6,
"Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

First VISIT just after midnight “deep(est) morning-of-night”.

And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they (the angles) said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee." ...
"The third day I FINISH"; "God the Seventh Day FINISHED."
"I have finished the work which Thou gavest Me to do." "God the Seventh Day RESTED."

John 20:1,
"The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was YET EARLY DARKNESS, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre and runneth and cometh to Simon Peter...

As quoted by DHK, “…early, when it was yet dark... (John 20:1)”; “early, when it was yet dark” against what is in truth written, “being yet / still early-DARKNESS”, ‘proh-i skotias eti ousehs’.

Clever change to God's Word, but not clever enough!

In any case, here is NO Resurrection occurring, just the FIRST SIGHT of the moved away door-stone – OUTSIDE and from a DISTANCE from the grave – as being observed by Mary Magdalene.

This must be the earliest ‘coming’ to the tomb, and Mary Magdalene has to be the ONLY person who undertook it because the news that she brought concerning the observed moved away door stone, SET IN MOTION ALL subsequent events of the rest of that night, first of which was that Peter and John as the direct result of this first sight of the opened grave by Mary Magdalene, FOR THE FIRST TIME received news of it or of the fact that Jesus’ body got buried at all!

DHK continues with “John 20:14”,

"And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus", as saw Mary Jesus immediately after 20:1, just after she had observed the moved away door stone!

Which is glaring shrewdness.

So yes,
APPEARANCE described, "FIRST, to Mary Magdalene", according to Mark16:9

Where's the Resurrection?

ONLY in Matthew 28:5A, "Answered / Described / Informed the angel the women…”, having told them verses 1 to 4 that explain Jesus’ Resurrection!

The angel told the women after sunrise, because this was just after Jesus’ first appearance “to Mary early (= sunrise) on the First Day of the week” and just before Jesus’ second appearance “to the women” other than Mary Magdalene.

 

GE:

You have made it so much easier to answer and REFUTE your tricking.

First, I entertain NO "strange reason" why I should "deny ... it is on the first day of the week" which actually was, "on the First Day of the week", namely, Jesus’ first APPEARANCE.

I entertain though, NO "strange reason" why I should "deny ... “it” – a Sunday-resurrection of Jesus – “is on the first day of the week"; to be sure!

But you and the renderers of 'the text' as you here presented it, have no ‘strange’, but most obvious 'reason' why you claim "it is on the First Day of the week"— because if you don't have 'it', on the First Day of the week, you have nothing on the First Day of the week and so nothing for worshiping on Sundays.

You have made it easier for me, I say. For example, Why did you not again, quote the KJV? Why this time, you display another ‘translation’ or ‘version’— rather, PERVERSION?

Ah! For no strange reason!

Because you do not want the text to read, “Now when Jesus was risen, early the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary Magdalene”; you want it to read, “Now when he had risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene…”

Why?

Because your first mention by the ‘old’ English as to HOW Jesus “appeared (namely) now when he was risen …”, could never mean the UNREAL English, “when he had risen … he appeared” … which is not English, but pretentious disregard for the languages both English and Greek, to support the false claim of a Finite, Indicative, Predicative VERB where there is no trace of its existence.

In other words, “Now when he had risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared” is not only horrible perverse English as well as Greek, but epitomises bad grammar, exegesis, hermeneutics, and just general Christian morals, all for religious conformity. “It”, has no obscure or “strange” reason in the least, but the ulterior and cynical but open, well known, defiant and contemptuous motive of Sunday worship.

_THAT_ is what is “as plain as the nose on your face” from and in this reading, “Now when he had risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared”.

 

Please. I am not here to trick anyone.

The day that he arose (the first day) was the same day that he appeared to some, such as Mary Magdalene.

Then you shouldn't deny it all, should you?

If you have only the first day of the week--Sunday--to worship on then your spiritual life is in a sad state of affairs. As for me and my wife we worship every day of the week, 365 days of the week. Christ lives in us. Our worship is not confined to a building, not even in a home. We worship in our vehicle. We can worship wherever we are. Our bodies are the temple of God. I am sorry for your handicap.

Why do you say it is a perversion. That is not wise to attack the Word of God that way?
Is the KJV more accurate than the Greek and Hebrew?
Does the KJV correct the Greek and Hebrew?
Is the KJV inspired, infallible, without error, or is it just a translation?

Now I want you to look at the Westcott-Hort Greek, and compare it to the TR.

WH: anastaV de prwi prwth sabbatou ejanh prwton maria th magdalhnh par hV ekbeblhkei epta daimonia (Mark 16:9)

TR: anastaV de prwi prwth sabbatou ejanh prwton maria th magdalhnh aj hV ekbeblhkei epta daimonia (Mark 16:9)

Note that the two Greek texts are virtually identical. The word Jesus isn't in the text but is supplied by the translators.
Note the word "sabbatou. It is word used 68 times in the NT.
37 times it is translated "sabbath day."
22 times it is translated "sabbath."
9 times it is translated "week."

The word "sabbatou" has nothing to do with sabbath; it simply means "week."
Note that the word "day" is in italics. The translators added it in for clarity.
The word protos means "first." The phrase is "first of the week" or Sunday.
It is the same in both the WH and the TR. The text makes no difference.

The text reads what it reads. I cannot do anything about. I posted it for you so you can read it for yourself--both WH and TR. They are the same.

"Indicative predicative", eh? That's a new one!
Now that we have all the conspiracy theories out of the way (WH and TR are the same), then we can admit the mv's concerning this verse are admissible. There is no reason to rule them out.

(Darby) Now when he had risen very early, the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary of Magdala, out of whom he had cast seven demons.

(ESV) [[Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.

(ISV) After Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had driven out seven demons.

Now when he had risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons. (Mark 16:9) WEB

For all your pompous speech and moral proclamations, the facts remain the same. The translations were done by men far more qualified than you. I will take their word over yours. They seem to be in agreement that Christ rose the first day of the week, a fact which you deny, and then proceed to sneer at those who believe this basic Biblical fact.

(ESV) [[Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.

He rose; Christ arose! Hallelujah he arose--on the first day He arose. The Scripture is so clear on this; why don't you believe?