Why Are SOME "No name" theology posters "Afraid" Of the Armianist Theology label?

[JesusFan]

Seems that some of us here are posting theology that espouses God had jesus die as atonemnt for ALL peoples. that God desires to save ALL peoples, and that He sends 'general Grace" to ALL, so that ANY can chose to accept/reject Christ by faith...

Classical Arm 101

WHy so afraid/reluctant to accept the label of Arm?

I DO NOT see it as negative, just idenifing one with a system of understanding the Sotierology of the Bible!

 

[preacher4truth]

Seems that some of us here are posting theology that espouses God had jesus die as atonemnt for ALL peoples. that God desires to save ALL peoples, and that He sends 'general Grace" to ALL, so that ANY can chose to accept/reject Christ by faith...

Classical Arm 101

WHy so afraid/reluctant to accept the label of Arm?

I DO NOT see it as negative, just idenifing one with a system of understanding the Sotierology of the Bible!

I think many of them equate loss of salvation with the Arminian position, so they reject the theological label.

 

[InTheLight]

Seems that some of us here are posting theology that espouses God had jesus die as atonemnt for ALL peoples. that God desires to save ALL peoples, and that He sends 'general Grace" to ALL, so that ANY can chose to accept/reject Christ by faith...

Classical Arm 101

WHy so afraid/reluctant to accept the label of Arm?

I DO NOT see it as negative, just idenifing one with a system of understanding the Sotierology of the Bible!

Why do you ask so many leading questions? Why do your statements beg the question?

Anyway, to answer: Arminianism teaches that one may (possibly) lose their salvation. I think very few people on BB accept that position. Also, I believe that many people on BB don't like to be pigeon-holed with labels.

 

[humblethinker]

Seems that some of us here are posting theology that espouses God had jesus die as atonemnt for ALL peoples. that God desires to save ALL peoples, and that He sends 'general Grace" to ALL, so that ANY can chose to accept/reject Christ by faith...

Classical Arm 101

WHy so afraid/reluctant to accept the label of Arm?

I DO NOT see it as negative, just idenifing one with a system of understanding the Sotierology of the Bible!

I think part of the resistance is because not all that the label requires would accurately describe our position.

 

[preachinjesus]

I don't think anyone is afraid of anything around here.

I deny the Arminian label because it isn't theologically accurate. To say there are only two camps (Calvinist or Arminian) is a myopic position. It only shows a basic understanding of the categories of theological engagement.

Also, I reject the notion that my position is "no name" theology. It isn't. My position is historical Baptist theology. I am a General Baptist (that absolutely isn't Arminian) who affirms salvation by grace through faith. There are a lot of other parts to it but I'll leave it there.

This constant prodding over such a silly issue is wearisome.

 

[preacher4truth]

Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia on General Baptists:

Baptists were first identified by the name General Baptists in 17th century England. They were called General Baptists because they believed in a general atonement — holding that the death of Christ atoned for the sins of all people. These churches were Arminian in tendency and held the possibility of falling from grace.

From this it definitely sounds as if the root is Arminian, and perhaps the OSAS is now chosen by at least some within the group?

 

[quantumfaith]

I don't mind labels, unless it is intentionally pejorative.

 

[Luke2427]

I think part of the resistance is because not all that the label requires would accurately describe our position.

Name something.

If it is the eternal security issue, you could rightly be Arminian since Arminius himself was not fully settled on that issue one way or the other.

Besides, if you are four fifths Arminian, why don't you just call yourselves Modified Arminians.

I have never understood why Geisler, who is four fifths Arminian and only one fifth Calvinist would call himself a Moderate CALVINIST.

Why not call himself a modified or moderate ARMINIAN?

 

[Luke2427]

How so?

To say there are only two camps (Calvinist or Arminian) is a myopic position. It only shows a basic understanding of the categories of theological engagement.

It might be if anybody had ever done it. But since I have never seen anyone one Baptist board say that there are only two positions, this seems to be strawman.

Although, I confess, that I do believe on each individual point one pretty well HAS to accept one view or the other.

You are either TOTALLY depraved or you are somewhat depraved.

If you believe you are NOT totally depraved then you are Arminian on that point.

You either believe that God UNCONDITIONALLY elected who would be saved or you believe that God CONDITIONALLY elected who would be saved.

If the latter- you are Arminian on that point.

You either believe in limited atonement or UNlimiited atonement.

If you believe the latter- you are Arminina on that point.

You wither believe that grace is ultimately irresistable or you beleive it can be resisted to the end.

If you believe the latter you are Arminian on that point.

Also, I reject the notion that my position is "no name" theology. It isn't. My position is historical Baptist theology.

That is not specific enough.

It tells us very little about what you believe on these vital matters.

Baptists have historically been a confessional people and you need to choose a confession that you agree with mostly if you are going to distinguish your beliefs at all.

I am a General Baptist (that absolutely isn't Arminian)

No such thing.

 

[InTheLight]

But since I have never seen anyone one Baptist board say that there are only two positions, this seems to be strawman.

You are either TOTALLY depraved or you are somewhat depraved.

If you believe you are NOT totally depraved then you are Arminian on that point.

You either believe that God UNCONDITIONALLY elected who would be saved or you believe that God CONDITIONALLY elected who would be saved.


You either believe in limited atonement or UNlimiited atonement.

You wither believe that grace is ultimately irresistable or you beleive it can be resisted to the end.

A-HA-HA-HA-HA-AHA-HA-HA!!!!

 

[kyredneck]

I think part of the resistance is because not all that the label requires would accurately describe our position.

What if it's condensed down to the simplest of terms concerning regeneration?:

Synergism: the doctrine that the human will cooperates with the Holy Ghost in the work of regeneration.

Monergism: the doctrine that the Holy Ghost acts independently of the human will in the work of regeneration.

My experience is that the free willers won't even admit that they hold to free will by simply acknowledging, 'YES! I AM A SYNERGIST!'

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

What if it's condensed down to the simplest of terms concerning regeneration?:

Synergism: the doctrine that the human will cooperates with the Holy Ghost in the work of regeneration.

Monergism: the doctrine that the Holy Ghost acts independently of the human will in the work of regeneration.

My experience is that the free willers won't even admit that they hold to free will by simply acknowledging, 'YES! I AM A SYNERGIST!'

Thats called "not in touch with reality" .... how do you disassociate like that? Suggested answer: Denial, Denial, Denial!

 

[JesusFan]

Why do you ask so many leading questions? Why do your statements beg the question?

Anyway, to answer: Arminianism teaches that one may (possibly) lose their salvation. I think very few people on BB accept that position. Also, I believe that many people on BB don't like to be pigeon-holed with labels.

To me, biggest issue is HOW God grants his grace to save, and to WHOM

is it of His free will, applied towards those who have been elected out?
is it of our free will, as He appllied grace to ALL, and ANY can come to Jesus?

Either its act of His Will, or act of ours?

 

[mandym]

Seems that some of us here are posting theology that espouses God had jesus die as atonemnt for ALL peoples. that God desires to save ALL peoples, and that He sends 'general Grace" to ALL, so that ANY can chose to accept/reject Christ by faith...

Classical Arm 101

WHy so afraid/reluctant to accept the label of Arm?

I DO NOT see it as negative, just idenifing one with a system of understanding the Sotierology of the Bible!

Be cause we do not identify with the doctrine of men. So why use it knowing it is offensive? How come you cannot have a conversation without boxing everyone in to some system? Maybe doing so would stretch your mind a bit and cause you to think through some things a bit more.

 

[mandym]

Either its act of His Will, or act of ours?

No, this is wrong. God opens up the heart and gives the ability to choose or not to. He gives us that ability it is not found in ourselves as we are totally depraved. But the choice is still made within man as God has provided. This is the reason blanket labels fail to be accurate.

 

[InTheLight]

Either its act of His Will, or act of ours?

Yes, it's both.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

To me, biggest issue is HOW God grants his grace to save, and to WHOM

is it of His free will, applied towards those who have been elected out?
is it of our free will, as He appllied grace to ALL, and ANY can come to Jesus?

Either its act of His Will, or act of ours?

Why would you every want to put that responsibility in the hands of man?

 

[webdog]

What if it's condensed down to the simplest of terms concerning regeneration?:

Synergism: the doctrine that the human will cooperates with the Holy Ghost in the work of regeneration.

Monergism: the doctrine that the Holy Ghost acts independently of the human will in the work of regeneration.

My experience is that the free willers won't even admit that they hold to free will by simply acknowledging, 'YES! I AM A SYNERGIST!'

As a PB you differ from mainstream calvinists, so you really need to include them along with the "free willers".

 

[webdog]

Thats called "not in touch with reality" .... how do you disassociate like that? Suggested answer: Denial, Denial, Denial!

Really? Do you know what primitive baptists believe?

 

[webdog]

Seems that some of us here are posting theology that espouses God had jesus die as atonemnt for ALL peoples. that God desires to save ALL peoples, and that He sends 'general Grace" to ALL, so that ANY can chose to accept/reject Christ by faith...

Classical Arm 101

WHy so afraid/reluctant to accept the label of Arm?

I DO NOT see it as negative, just idenifing one with a system of understanding the Sotierology of the Bible!

Either you do not learn from what we post, or you are deliberately begging the question time and time again.

Let me ask you a question. Why do those who hold to Augustinian original sin not want to be called Roman Catholics?