Are the Greek/Russian orthodox Valid Christian Churches?

Without a doubt Orthodox Churches are Christian and have been so for at least 1800 years.

 

Then, are the RC's?

 

Absolutely - the RC's are as well. Why they've been Christans since Jesus came to Earth.


WM

 

If you mean "Christian churches" in the New Testament or Biblical sense of the word then the answer is absolutely not! They are "accursed" churches by Galatians 1:8-9 and part of the predicted apostasy of 1 Timothy 4:1-4 and thus part of the Great Harlot of Revelation 17. They are no more "Christian" than Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists or any other Restoration cult. They are one of the oldest apostate forms of Christianity on earth other than the Mother of apostates (RC).

 

Give it break doc...besides, history just isn't on your side. Wail, complain, and fret all you wish but none of that will change the facts.

WM

 

The fact is that the present manifestation of the Old Harlot has been in bed with the kings of this earth since the 4th century and used them to systematically destroy the writings of her enemies as well as destroy her enemies. The old harlot has preserved her own history of apostasy. It does not take too much common sense to see that the ante-Nicene Fathers are a step of apostasy away from the apostolic fathers and the Nicene fathers are a further step of apostasy from the Antenicene fathers and the Post-Nicene fathers are a further step of apostasy from the Nicene Fathers. One must be blind in one eye and cannot see out the other to see that modern Rome is the epitomy of this history of apostasy.

RELIGIOUS Rome is the fulfillment of Revelation 17. ECCLESIASTICAL ROME merged with RELIGIOUS ROME - the old Babylonian religion with her Pontiff and college of cardinals and rides on the back of secular governments of this world as a CHURCH STATE RELIGION.

She is a fornicator and a LIAR and a MURDERER of God's saints in all ages:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

The roots of this old harlot has been around since Cain as it is the "way of Cain" and it has had an organized center of state religion from ancient Babel to Egypt to Babylon to Media/Persia to Greece to Rome and now ecclesiastical Rome. When she is destroyed heaven and earth will rejoice in destruction as her history is dyed in the blood of the saints beginning with the blood of Abel.

Her defenders are no more true "Christians" than she is.

 

There are no denominational churches that meet the criteria for the early Christian churches. There were no denominations. Independents do not fit the mold either when it comes to the very early churches.

Just because a group does not meet all your personal requirements does not mean they are not Christian.

After all other churches, that you are not associated with, have said the same about your persuasion.

Throwing rocks is easy, but mostly it is wrong IMHO.

The saddest and most disastrous day in Christian history was when Constantine made the church in Rome the official church of the empire. This guaranteed the success of Islam when it rose as the Mid-East viewed the Rome as the enemy and thus if Christianity was bound to Rome then Christianity automatically became part of the enemy also.

 

The identity of the Old Whore is simple to identify. She is Rome as John explicitly identifies her as the "city" which presently reigned over the earth when he wrote this book:

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Note the PRESENT TENSE VERBS ("is" "reigneth").

She is not secular Rome but Religious Rome as she is clearly and explicitly distinguished from the type consistently is used by Biblical writers for secular governments:

Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

She has controlled secular governments since the time of the establishment of the very first city state upon earth - Babel, then Egypt, then Babylon, then Media Persia, then Greece, then Rome and she will dominate the last world empire upon earth until that government destroys her.

She is distinguished from secular governments not only in type (sitting upon them) but in literal explicit terms as the "beast" with ten horns is explicitly defined as world governments including the last world government ruled by the Anti-Christ:

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

In Daniel, "kings" are representative of the governments they rule or otherwise they are not really "kings" at all or of anything. Five of these kingdoms have fallen (Babel, Egypt, Babylon, Media/Persia, Greece) and one "IS" (Rome) and one is yet to come (Antichrist over ten kingdoms united under him). This false antichrist religion was perfected in the Babylonian era

All previous five kingdoms that have fallen are found in the Bible and have been dominated by "the way of Cain" or false religion or the spirit of the Antichrist. The false religion was systemized in Babylon but perfected under ECCLESIASTICAL ROME. The merger between the systemized Babylonian religion and ecclesiastical Rome is a process of devolpment that is recorded in the Antenicene, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers.

Cain was a murderer and "the way of Cain" and the Old Whore has been a murderer from her roots (cain) into her STATE RELIGION forms (Babel, Egypt, Babylon, Medes/Persian, Greece, Rome) and she has always infiltrated the professed kingdom of God on earth from the time of Abraham to the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 and from the time of "Judas" to the present. Ecclesiastical Rome is the epitomy of this merger between paganism and Christianity and it is this paganized form of Christianity that will be religion of the antichrist (2 Thes. 2:3-12).

 

You are wrong! There are essentials for one to be recognized as a Christian. A Christian does not have to know all truth or be characterized by all truth but in order to be a Christian there are essential truths that must be identified with.

Likewise, there are essentials for a congregation to be recognized as a New Testament congregation. A congregations does not have to know and practice all truths or be charactertized by all truths but in order to be a true New Testament congregaton there are essential truths that must be identified with.

Take a look at the congregations in the New Testament. None were without errors. However, there were essentials they had to identify with or they would go into what the scriptures define as apostasy. Some apostolic letters were written to warn and correct them from deviating into such errors that would render them "accursed" or apostate (Gal. 1:8-9; 1 Tim. 4:1-5; 2 Cor. 11:3-4) and there were essential safe guards put in place to maintain them in ESSENTIAL truths necessary to recognize and identify them as "churches of Christ" or a "church of God" etc.

The New Testament apostles and prophets are characterized as the "foundation" upon which every true church of Christ is founded and it is the apostles and prophets that delivered "the faith" or those essentials to the churches that identify it as "the pillar and ground of THE TRUTH." These essentials were first ORALLY delivered and then their defense with other matters were then finally put in written form which we call the New Testament Scriptures and those scriptures are "profitable" for doctrine, for correction, instruction and reproof that the man of God may be "thoroughly" equipped to identify whether another man is "sound in the faith" thus qualified to the office of Bishop and thus rather a congregation is "sound in the faith" or has drifted into apostasy (Acts 20:28-31).

There have always been New Testament congregations that have existed in every generation teaching these essentials, yet not without errors in relatively non-essential matters. Rome has killed them, perverted their history. Jesus predicted that false religion would be characterized by several specific things, but one of the most prominent characteristics is that it would kill others for their religious beliefs all in the name of God (Jn. 16:1-5).

We have the promise of God that essential Christianity would reproduce after its own kind EVERY DAY until the end of the world (Mt. 28:19-20).

 

More eschatological Millerite twaddle from the good doc. And just how accurate were their predictions? Hmmm...

WM

 

Your standard of "accurate" is Rome. Your doctrine is essential Romanistic. Your comments reflect Rome's rhetoric. As you reflect in one of your last posts on a now terminated thread, you have no faith in anyone's interpetation of the scripture because all men are subject to error, so you offer no PROOF of your position, you simply offer Ante-nicene, Nicene, Post-Nicene theology as your PROOF and so your God is TRADITION. So your authenticity is inaccurate.

 

What thoroughly unpleasant, bigoted claptrap!

 

Like Spurgeon said, if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs the one that yelps is the one who got hit.

 

More unpleasantries. How very Christian! By their fruits shall you know them...

 

Rome is the church of the inquisitions and thus she is the harlot who is the murderer of God's saints. Jesus predicted that one tenet of false religion is that they would kill others over relgion but do it sanctimoniously in the name of God:

Jn. 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

What is true of paganized Judaism is true of all paganized Christianity including Rome and her Protestant harlot daughters:


6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

 

Well then doc, there should be an enormous amount of historical evidence in the form of their writings if they were around, yet nothing exists. Of course you know very well that the evidence isn't there to support such historical revisionists pap - that's why you are forced into a conspiratorial position. How sad...

WM

 

What a pathetic joke! Rome MURDERS countless saints of God in the name of religion and you condemn those who expose her guilt while defending the guilty??? pathetic! Since when is rebuke of the guilty and exposure of the guilty a false "fruit" of the murdered and godly??????????? What a joke!

 

Still fighting worn-out 16th century battles, are we?

 

No doc. Your inability to back up such conspiracy theory drivel is the actual joke. You know I'm correct and that's what yanks your emotional chain.

W