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A Christian cannot lose fellowship. The issue was to make sure they did not start teaching error and destroy the truth.
what word would you use to reflect the biblical truth that IF we sin after being saved by God, that unless/until we confess that to God, He will NOT be able to continue to deal with us in a spiritual sense, will not not be able to move us forward in our maturity process/walk with Christ...
We will be "stuck in place!"
No word as the bible does not teach what you said or suggested.
Prove he is not!
Where does John SAY that he is dealing with Gnostics?
Which commentary are you reading? You are not getting that information from the actual text of Scripture. It is conjecture at best.
actually the confessing of Christ is that you willingly accept Him as your Savior. The Lord of your life.I was always taught that when the Bible speaks of confessing Jesus is Lord it means that we confess that He is God.
Lordship salvation folks say that it means we confess Him as boss.
Of course, God is boss, but which do you see as the primary meaning, and why?
So nothing happens to us as Christians if we continue to refuse to deal with sin areas in our lives?
God has fully and totally forgiveness us IF in Christ, but we still need to repent/confess in order to allow Him to keep blessing our lives in all areas...
failure to do that means that we will face the chaistisment of God, and he will not bless us any futher until dealt with!
No, A Christians does not continue to refuse to deal with sin. That is what the lost does.
You have NEVER had a time where you were doing a sin, and knew that God was convicting you, trying to get you to stop doing it, but you decided to keep doing it for awhile?
I have had such experiences, thankful fewer now than at the start of my life in Christ!
NO not since I was saved and neither has anyone else who is saved although many try and convinve others it can happen. I have experienced that prior to being saved when I made false professions, but not as a Christian. Many people think they are saved when they are not. Matt 7:21. What you are describing is a rebellious heart which is one of evidences of being lost. It is impossible to be in repentance and rebellion at the same time. What you are describing is a person who has not repented. No repentance no salvation. Biblical repentance is not something we do at a particular time and (take back) walk away from. Biblical repentance is a state we enter into and never leave if we are saved. We are kept not only in faith but in the state of repentance.
2Cor 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
If you had said you had times when you were battling sin yet seeking to walk with the Lord but were not winning the battle then yes that can happen, but not what you are suggesting.
You REALLy never had a time/experience since getting saved by God where you did not live for the Lord according to his word?
Like you got angry at someone, and did not deal with it for awhile?
that you were watching "bad stuff" for awhile, before dealing with the Lord on it?
that you might have got drunk, and stay stubborn for awhile against letting God get you to deal with it?
Just trying to see why what you are saying would not qualify as being "sinless perfection?"
"A Christian cannot lose fellowship"A Christian cannot lose fellowship. The issue was to make sure they did not start teaching error and destroy the truth.
You err in your interpretation of this verse. It is directed to Christians. An unsaved person cannot have Godly sorrow. That is impossible. Godly sorrow is only characteristic of the saved. This, again, refers to the brother of 1Cor.5:1-5. He, as a brother in Christ, had repented. The Corinthians had to accept him as such. He did not have to repent again. He had repented of his sin once. He didn't have to repent of it again. The salvation is physical. Reread the passage in 1Cor.5. Had he not repented there was a good chance that the Lord may have killed him. There is a sin unto death. Check 1Cor.11:30. God chastens his own (Heb.12), and sometimes even to death. If he did not chasten his own, then they wouldn't be his own.2Cor 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
If you had said you had times when you were battling sin yet seeking to walk with the Lord but were not winning the battle then yes that can happen, but not what you are suggesting.
You err in your interpretation of this verse. It is directed to Christians. An unsaved person cannot have Godly sorrow. That is impossible. Godly sorrow is only characteristic of the saved. This, again, refers to the brother of 1Cor.5:1-5. He, as a brother in Christ, had repented. The Corinthians had to accept him as such. He did not have to repent again. He had repented of his sin once. He didn't have to repent of it again. The salvation is physical. Reread the passage in 1Cor.5. Had he not repented there was a good chance that the Lord may have killed him. There is a sin unto death. Check 1Cor.11:30. God chastens his own (Heb.12), and sometimes even to death. If he did not chasten his own, then they wouldn't be his own.
The passage you are misinterpreting is written to Christians only, as are all the epistles.
No I have not. I have like many Child of God (those who are saved) had things (sins) in my life that were struggles and had to fight them over periods of time to overcome them, but I was all the time fighting them not simply doing them and ignoring God. There has never been a time when I was sinning and just putting off dealing with it as you seem to state, like a hog loves wallowing in the mire. You are talking about someone in rebellion, not someone who is saved. A true believe hates sin and most of all their own. Even when we sin we hate it and no we do not run from God to practice sinning. The lost are running from God not the saved.
If that passage is speaking about Christians as you say then all Christians need to be saved according to the passage. Here is what it says
2Cor 7:10For godly sorrow produces repentance [leading] to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.
If only a Christian can have godly sorrow as you say then all Christian’s needs to get saved as godly sorrow produces repentance which leads to to salvation, not follows salvation.
Wasn't Gnosticism at the time of the NT letters merely though in its "iinfancy stages?"
Fal writes as if the Apostle was addressing "full blown" stage of it in early Church!
No, A Christians does not continue to refuse to deal with sin. That is what the lost does.
Only a Christian can have Godly sorrow. Where is God in the "ungodly"?If that passage is speaking about Christians as you say then all Christians need to be saved according to the passage. Here is what it says
2Cor 7:10For godly sorrow produces repentance [leading] to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.
If only a Christian can have godly sorrow as you say then all Christian’s needs to get saved as godly sorrow produces repentance which leads to to salvation, not follows salvation.
Read my post. I said what Io said, not what you said.So your understanding regarding this is that a true believer, one really has been saved, will not be able at times to choose to rebell against God, as for example one who commits adultry, leaves his wife for a season, quits going tochurch, yet does eventually repent that sin/confess to God and wife his sinning, and wants to come back to her and his church...
Not possible to happen, or he need to get resaved again?