Understanding Romans 8:5-9

VAN...here is a hint...
Unable means unable......it does not mean sometimes able...it means unable

unable does not mean the unregenerate can receive the milk
it means they are unable

you say;

God says they are UNABLE......I will believe God on this one:thumbs:

 

Paul: O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

IMHO The gift of the Holy Spirit puts us in Christ a position which makes us heirs, not inheritors.

Matt. 1:20 Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived (being generated) in her is of the Holy Spirit.

We by the Spirit of God are in Christ, in the Spirit, being generated.

In whom ye also, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ in you, the body dead because of sin; but the Spirit life because of righteousness.
But (And) if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

The moment that happens you will be regenerated and will inherit and enter the kingdom of God.

That person being generated in Mary above, Jesus died for you and me, said the following in context of a conversation he had with the rich young ruler concerning inheriting eternal life, "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Did that person Jesus laying dead in the tomb have to be regenerated?

 

I told you in another thread that you would have to stretch some scriptures to great lengths to harmonise with your doctrine, and you just stretched some in these comments. It's plain and simple, If you do not have the indwelling Spirit you cannot descern spiritural things, they are foolishness to you, yes, even the milk of the word which has to be spiritually descerned.

 

Wrong, there is no scriptual proof to back up your statement.

 

We all were "DEAD" (spiritually dead) until we are quickened by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The born again person then has two natures, the flesh and the Spirit, and these two natures war against each other as Paul explains, but the natural man only has one nature so he cannot descern anything of a spiritual nature, not even the milk of the word.

 

Give me your scripture that says the unregenerate can understand the milk of the word. I can't find it saying that.

 

I think that you have a missconception of who are saved and who are not. Most salvation scriptures are not refering to eternal salvation, but to timely salvations.

 

[sarcasm]God isn't holy all the time. It says God is holy. some people add that God is holy all the time. But this extrapolation is not actually in the text.[/sarcasm]


Unable means unable. It doesn't say unable some of the time. If it says unable, it means exactly that. Praise God for saving unable people!

 

unable means unable. As you are unable to understand that unable means unable. no ability. It doesn't mean some of the time as you like to add to it. anyway, back to ignore you go....


ah......

 

pretty simple!

Apostle paul showing us that we can chose to either live in our fleshly natures, and reap bad harvest, who chose to live in/by the HS empowering us, and in that way fulfill the law and reap a spiritual harvest!

 

The elect after they have been quickened to spiritual life, do still carry the baggage of their flesh, they have two natures dewling inside of them. Paul explains this by the warfare going on inside of us. The natural man who hasen't been quickened has only one nature and that is the natural nature, so, yes, the born again person can be wicked and fleshly at times. 1 Cor 3:3 is talking about people who are born of the Spirit but lack a knowledge of the meat of the gospel. The natural man, void of the Spirit, cannot understand even the milk of the word because even the milk of the word has to be spiritually descerned.

 

van...this is what you really meant to post!

Van...we get it now...you post in a novel code...we now can translate it..here is the translation of what you really meant to post.

Folks, Calvinism is a true doctrine, and it is obvious if you just read scripture. I deny verse after verse, James 2:5 does not mean what it says, 1 Corinthians 2:14-3:3 does not mean what it says, Romans 9:16 does not mean what it says, Romans 8:5-9 does not mean what it says, and on and on.

The OP explains my view of Romans 8:5-9, and thus far many credible arguments have been offered to refute my view.

I was charged with not addressing Romans 8:7-8, but I quoted it and explained it away. guilty as charged #1.

I contradict myself. charge #2

I willfully pervert scripture. charge #3

In baseball, three strikes and you are out.

most of my posts are shuck and jive, twaddle and fiddlesticks....folks.

I am going to make myself a hot chocolate a read a portion from Calvins Institues now....:wavey::wavey: Tulip is the truth:thumbs:

 

Now, Now Icon,

I take "issue" with this. You know

"I am the way, the truth and the life..." (Jesus)

Tulip is but a systematized interpreted version of "truth". Now on to my coffee, "Newmans Own" keurig.