Featured Fighting about fighting- Any hope for us?

It's what baptists do, so the answer is no.

 

John 17:22-23 (NKJV):

22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

 

And what is the response to that wisdom from God, for so many of our baptist brothers and sisters?....


Ahh...God, you just dont understand. We must (((destroy the heritics)))!!! They are the ENEMY, and its my job to anihilate them!!!

God have mercy

 

I suppose there is always hope that God may have predestined an end to the fighting that He determined. It is in His hands alone, He is Sovereign, there is NOTHING you can do! Only a Pelagian would believe he could fight to change what God has ordained.

 

isn't one of the biggest baptist distinctives suppossed to be 'freedom of choice" as regarding "disputable matters" within Christianity though?

Why wouldn't this violate that?

 

I think it can partly be blamed on our Baptist distinctives.

It seems many Baptists feel they must staunchly defend their Church from any and all error, and since we hold to Soul Competency and Priesthood of the Believer then, as another person said, “Every man’s hat is his Church”. Thus we Baptist tend to staunchly defend our own personal beliefs, opinions, pet doctrines, and manner of living from every perceived error, every misspoken word, and everyone else’s moral lapse.


Nah, probably not…..

 

Note that I made light of your system and you returned with a personal attack on my character along with all "non-cals".

I guess when a Calvinist attacks other's character that would not be considered divisive but justified if they have gone and been apostates on the issue of Determinism? Got it.

 

Luke, no non-Cal here hates Calvinists, or at least I don't. Now, I absolutely disagree with Calvinism, just as I disagree with many other theologies, but I don't hate them either.

Now, I do get very frustrated with Calvinists. I am sure you know what I believe, and I always post scripture to support what I believe. So, sometimes I get frustrated when I feel that Calvinists will not accept what I view as OBVIOUS proof in scripture that they are in error. I could name many examples right now, but I won't.

But I do not believe any non-Cal hates Calvinists here, and I do not believe any Calvinists hate non-Cals here, we simply disagree.

 

Regardless of where one sits on the C to A cline your belief stated above is not always easily discerned from the available evidence.

 

isn't all of this really 'In house' debate among the bethren though?

That we cannot divide oversomething like sotierology, as we ALL would be saved by same lord and in same fashion, even IF we disagree on the fine points of how God does that?

 

But we don't agree that we are saved in the same fashion at all.

 

Luke...

I agree with you about that, but we can contend with those brothers and sisters "gracefully", and with love. And I say that with the finger pointed only at me...because I am not without guilt in this area. I can do better.

 

Winman,
To your credit....you do offer many scriptures rather than carnal philosophy.
We do not agree however, because you are offering scriptures that you are severly over -working in that they do not prove what you think they are proving.

 

You are not going to work, yourself, to avoid any feud with false statements like that.

 

Correct....this sentiment sounds nice,and tolerant...but it cannot stand.

 

Icon, I don't blame you for not wanting to use phikosophy to interpret the scriptures you use to proof-text with because you obvioulsy don't understand the meaning of the word. Your only alternative is to avoid such and think of your interpretaions as being specially inspired insights and any interpretation that disagrees with yours must be declared as carnal. Just so you know, I understand where you're coming from.

 

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At least we understand each other....that is a start.I can finally agree with one of your posts. I have no desire to insert my own poor thoughts over against any scripture. I have no desire to be novel.
I do believe that scripture is the only rule of faith and practice.While i do not claim any "special revelation'....I only offer what I perceive as scriptural truth. The links I offer are solid and you cannot refute most any of them.
That is why you take your frustration out on me...I am an easier target.
You would be better served to not look or concern yourself with me personally....but you should pay attention to the verses and truth offered.

I do not know much about philosophy...you seem to not know much about scripture. The thread you started has over 30 posts and not one scripture verse was used, attemped, or alluded to......interesting

So i will stick to what i know...and you can have all of your discussions on unscriptural speculations about middle knowledge, open theism, and whatever else you give your mind to. Give ravi zacharius a call to discuss your novel ideas on all things philosphical.