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Rainwater Illegal to Collect in Oregon

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  1. targus

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    It would depend on where the rainwater goes after it falls.

    In Amarillo does it just soak into the ground or does it flow into a tributary that feeds the city water supply.

    In the OP the person "collecting rain water" actually built a dam across a tributary that provided the water for the local city population.

    Big difference.
     
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  2. Bro. Curtis

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    It is illegal in Montana to collect any kind of rainwater.

    If you've ever suffered through Rocky Mountain fire season you would support this law.
     
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  3. Squire Robertsson

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    Does the rain in Amarillo feed a stream, creek, or river that down stream landowners rely on for their water? Why do you think there were range wars over water holes?

    In this case (and others) the rain feeds water resources belonging to other folks.
     
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    Yep.

    Amarillo is in the Canadian River Watershed and Lake Merideth is fed by the Canadian.
     
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  5. Squire Robertsson

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    Then, someone has worked out the water rights so folks can have their cisterns. What folks need to keep in mind is water rights are governed in the main by state laws (case and statute) and regulations. So, there can be a vast difference between West Virginia, Texas, and Oregon.
     
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  6. HankD

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    Well, I have to say that I've learned something new.

    Rain - If you let it fall onto the ground that's OK.

    If you try to save some of it - you the bad guy.

    Yes I see some logic in the water rights but rain is kind of like air - it's "free".

    Oops that won't be true either when the Obama Cap and Trade Bill (AKA the Carbon Footprint Tax) is passed.

    Although the Carbon Footprint is based on what is exhaled - CO2 not what is inhaled.

    HankD
     
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  7. Squire Robertsson

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    Nope water in the air is not free it has a potential destination. Though, you're not a bad guy if you play well with others.

    Here's a possible scenario:

    The B\I has 120 year old water rights to xxx acre feet of water per year from the Cricketwire River. Dudley Doright moves (2010) into the area from Chicago. He builds a reservoir on a tributary to the Cricketwire. Doright's reservoir capacity exceeds the D-D's rights to yyy acre feet. So, the reservoir impacts the amount of water downstream right holders can take from the Cricketwire.
     
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  8. HankD

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    I'm not disagreeing. Just surprised.

    I've never heard of anyone being fined here in water logged NW WA or even that there were these regulations.

    HankD
     
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    Could be... if the state law defines "tributary" as a gulley, or ravine that only has water in it when it rains and until it drains?

    We don't know that and that seems to be the crux of the matter.

    Too broad a definition of tributary could mean the gutter that water runs in down the street to a storm drain.

    The dictionary defines it as: A tributary is a stream or river that flows into a main stem (or parent) river or a lake.

    Is an occasionally filled gulley a tributary, and then only when it rains?
     
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  10. Squire Robertsson

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    The difference is the difference between Sedro Wolley in Skagit County and La Crosse in Whitman County. Then there is the 30 year old water battle between Norther California and Southern California over water going through the Sacramento Delta.
     
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  11. Bro. James

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    Does this mean I am going to be prosecuted for making holding ponds to slow the rising water from flood plains that have been blocked by interstates and subdivisions? We get flooded annually, which is better than semi-annually. Nothing new.

    Will we be getting any ice-melt in the South?

    We seem a little dumbeth about the water God gave us to steward, along with the rest of the biosphere. Buy stock in iodine and bleach.

    Peace,

    Bro. James
     
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  12. Squire Robertsson

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    With Louisiana basing its state laws on the Code Napoleon, I have no idea about how water rights work down there. Remember, this a state matter not a Federal one (for the most part). Further some parts of the West are as dry as Louisiana is wet.
     
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    People don't fight over water rights on the west side of the Cascades - not yet.
     
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  14. HankD

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    I think some of that was on TV last year or the year before where Hannity of Fox news went to CA to join in the protest made by farmers because they were being denied water. Don't remember the details.

    And yes when crossing over to the east side of the Cascade Mountains here in WA one experiences a marked change in climate.


    HankD
     
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  15. Squire Robertsson

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    That's almost a side show compared to what is being proposed.
     
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  16. HankD

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    Hmm, If the San Joaquin irrigation water supply is cut off, that will have an economic impact on produce grown in So. CA (added to the coming inflationary spiral).

    HankD
     
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    You hunt mushrooms? It's a forager's paradise out there.
     
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  18. Squire Robertsson

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    The San Joaquin Valley is not in Southern California. It is the southern part of the Central Valley. The northern part is the Sacramento River Valley. SoCal lies south of the Tehachapi Mountains.
     
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    In New Zealand, there is endless stuff about Maori rights, incuding that of water......many New Zealand place names have "wai" in them which is water in Teo Reo.

    There can be a great deal of bitterness over these sorts of issues....so if in Oregon one can not collect rainfall or if so is taxed on it...I would expect the taxer would be responsible for flood damage, drought damage etc. etc. You cannot have it one way and avoid responsibility for another. This really steams me up.

    Income Tax was introduced in Britain during the Napoleonic Wars to raise revenue for the war, it was stated at the time to be only during the war. Like governments then and now....it was deemed expedient to retain the tax forever and ever.

    I realised just now California has a GDP larger than my whole country!!!!!
     
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  20. Squire Robertsson

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    A few years ago, it was said California ranked just behind France in GDP
     
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