Would you fight in the American Revolutionary War?

And, just what made Britian the legal government in the first place? Was it 1) Because of their "Glorious Revolution" of the 1680's by which Parliament allowed William of Orange (an area in Prot. Holland & his wife Mary) to rule under Parliament's close supervision after "inviting pro-RCC Stuart King James II to leave the throne"?, or 2) Because the English people grew tired of living under Richard Cromwell's harsh, scandal-plagued Commonwealth/Protectorate govt that he inherited from his father Oliver that they allowed the exiled son of executed Stuart King Charles I to re-establish the monarchy as Stuart King Charles II?, or 3) Because Oliver Cromwell declared himself "Lord Protector" of England & thus established himself as head of the English Protectorate/Commonwealth after stirring up the now-Republic controlled Parliament to both declare the throne of England vacant and execute Stuart King Charles I after being kangaroo-tried & found guilty in 1649, or 4) Allowing the winners of the English Civil Wars of the 1640's to imprison Stuart King Charles I (and forcibly ousting all pro-monarchist Parliament members from their duly elected Parliament seats) thereby setting up a virual martial-law dictatorial "rule-by-fiat" government?

And that's just talking about 17th century Britain! I could go further on back to the 16th century & give you some REALLY hair raising stories of the British version of "Who's Running England Today?" but I won't bore you with the details since they're already in most Introductory English history books--books with which I guess Bro. Bob Hope is very well familiar (can't say for sure, but I'll give him the benefit of doubt in this case anyway).


OTOH, I will mention the 1066 invasion of Norman ruler (Normandy being that region of northern FRANCE that the Allies invaded on D-Day June 6, 1944) of William I ("The CONQUEROR").

Yep, the Brits sure had an interesting standard by which they legitimized their goverments, didn't they?

Old Tricky Dick Nixon's Watergate Scandal was a cakewalk compared to some of the goings on back in the good old days of our "legitimate" British rulers. (Sorry bout that for those on BB who may be "loyal subjects of QE2," it wasn't YOUR fault that things happened the way they did in your past history!)

 

I believe we need another tin foil hat.

 

You have a very misguided idea of what war and murder are. You talk quite lofty against war, yet, sometimes it takes it to defend liberty and freedom. You sure do not mind using liberty and freedom to post your thoughts, yet what have you done to help ensure they continue?

 

You bring up a good point. My mindset is through what we have learned and studied. In reality, none of us know what we might have thought back then. I am a direct descendant of Thomas Payne, a signer of the Declaration. It is a good thing to at least ponder such a possibility in ones mind.

 

And I suppose that you are one of those types that does not pay any form of local, state, regional, or USA federal taxes, because--by so doing--you are merely subsidizing (thus aiding & abetting) an illegitmate govt that, according to your most high and holy standards, God never has, does, or ever will recognize.

You know, if you don't like the way a country got started, there's always other countries that I'm positive would have a special place in their hearts for you.

(These words come from a person whose father never got the OK from his future bride's parents to get married, but he married the woman who later on became my mother. Her parents never forgave him for that, so, I suppose that makes me [at least according to certain people's mindset] illegitmate too. But that's OK w/me.....I forgave all parties concerned a long time ago! :smilewinkgrin

What's done in the past is done whether we like it or not!

No person or family or clan or nation (me/mine included!) has ever been completely 110+% innocent of every concievable sin except for one Person.

In reality, none of us can say with complete certainty that: "I WOULD NEVER, EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES .... (fill in the blank).

Maybe a if a person actually lived under the situations that an individual might have experienced back in the middle of 18th century British-American colonial times he/she would have supported the govt of George III, but then again, maybe he/she would not have supported KG3 (and maybe have done so for any number of reasons as well!)

I prefer not to cry over spilled milk, but, if others care to shed tears over the puddle in which they find themselves standing, then go for it!

I now leave my friends in BB land with these quandries:

By paying our US federal taxes [including any & all US federal excise taxes, etc.] are we not, by logical extention, helping to fund the murder of innocent babies via abortion?

By voting to help place into any elected office a person who allows abortion to continue at any level [whether or not that person claims to be against abortion but does nothing to stop it] are we, by logical extention, not also guilty of murder?

 

In my ignorant youth, yes. Knowing what I now know, no.

 

I must say I could not get enthusiastic for any point....but that MIGHT be I am not American.....

Would I have fought in the Maori/ Pakeha Wars......probably, if it meant my family was being viewed as a main course for dinner, but those wars were a landbased war...Maori wanting to retain their ancestral lands and Europeans who saw fertile land under utilised and wanting a better life for their families etc etc.

In Australia, hunting and slaughtering aboriginal tribes on my selection, as they would kill stock etc, Australian aborigines were not given the dignity of being human but being subhuman. Possibly, I would have, it is hard to squeeze our mindset and ideals to that of that period, it would be NICE to think I would have be kind and considerate ie paternalistic, rather than otherwise.

The Civil War in America is not anything like the above.....one wonders if it could have been better managed and not descended into such a bloody confrontation, I suspect civil wars in any time and any place must have been as hideous as that of America.

At the end of the day the New World was populated y those escaping persecution whether it was class based, religious or otherwise. My ancestors were economic refugees, lured with the possibility that by their hard work, their children could hope for a better life, through education and opportunities not to be had in the Old World of Europe.

 

I voted in favor of revolution----but I don't believe few people would have the "guts" to do it again against the lilly government we have today!!!

I told my wife the other day that if our nation's founding fathers were to be raised from the dead in our year---and be given an "update" on the situation before them(and us) coming from the nation's capital----they'd say to each other something like

"Grab your muskets, Boys!!! Our capital is being invaded upon from within!!!"

:wavey::wavey:

 

Good point!

 

I do agree that we have become the exact system we opposed in the Revolution. :thumbs:

 

Well said, blackbird, well said. :thumbs:

Great posts, Scarlett. :flower:

 

No king but King Jesus.

If I were ever to do a PHD in history, my thesis would be that the primary cause of the Revolutionary war was George Whitfield's evangelistic work in the colonies in the mid-eighteenth century.

So in'yer eye.