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  1. HisWitness

    HisWitness New Member

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    2nd Peter 2-1 : speaks of false prophets who would deny the LORD that BOUGHT them and bring swift destruction upon themselves.

    To me this is saying that even the ungodly had been BOUGHT by the BLOOD of Christ--and that the ungodly and those who denied Christ in that day(IMO)would suffer destruction when the wrath of God was come at ad 70 (IMO)when God destroyed the temple and city and killed a great number of jews(even history records the roman army taking 500k+ jews and casting them into Gehenna(place outside Jerusalem that burned with fire,that people were cast alive into)

    these are just a few thoughts but feel free to discuss how the word BOUGHT is being used in the scripture that was given.
     
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  2. Oldtimer

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    2 Peter 2 KJB

    1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

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    20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

    21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

    22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
     
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  3. Amy.G

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    The word "Lord" used in 2 Peter 2:1 is the Greek word despotes, which means master, as in the master over a slave.

    Throughout the NT the word "Lord" (when referring to God) is kurios.

    So I think that in this verse Peter is making an analogy rather than saying that Christ has "bought" these false teachers with His blood. Otherwise, Peter would have used the word kurios (Lord/God) or kristos (Christ/Messiah).
     
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  4. Dr. Bob

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    Another reason to know and understand God's actual Spriit-breathed word choice rather than the receptor languages' translators that might not distinguish such.

    Big example is Gal 1:6-7 "so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another . . "

    First "another" is heteros = another of a different sort. Second "another" is allos = another of the same sort. Cursory reading in English is very confusing and demands lots of explaining; in God's chosen words is is crystal clear.
     
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    That makes no sense in light of John 8:34, Roman 6:20, etc. These "slaves" don't belong to this Master.
     
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  6. Amy.G

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    Sorry, I don't see your point.
     
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  7. HisWitness

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    i think its meaning is Christ(Christ also is the Master :))
     
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    Didn't you use this verse to show a slave / master relationship?
     
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    Jesus has bought the rights to all men...all flesh is his...By creation and then for His sheep by redemption.

    4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

    5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

    6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

    Jesus buys the field to get the pearl of great price.

    17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

    2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

    3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
     
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  10. Amy.G

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    If Christ bought the false teachers with His blood, then you have to believe that they lost their salvation. The whole chapter is talking about the condemnation of false teachers.
     
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    False dichotomy only arrived by refusal to admit the atonement is universal. At any rate you have Christ (the master) buying a slave (false prophet). How is this explanation any different or better than what's concluded from the op?
     
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    Then how do you explain how Christ purchased these false prophets yet they end up condemned?
     
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    The problem with universal atonement is that people don't comprehend what "atonement" is. Atonement is the paying/covering of sin. It is a uni-lateral act of God (nothing to do with what man thinks or does).

    It is the Son's sacrifice that removes sin, allowing the Father then to justify the one atoned for.

    So IF Christ actually "atoned" for sin, it is a done deal!! It is atoned for. I like it or not, reject or accept - doesn't mean squat. Sin IS atoned for.

    If the atonement is universal, all creation will be in heaven (none lost according to God). Done. Settled. Finished transaction within the Godhead.

    If anyone goes to hell, it proves a limit (of some sort) on the atonement, and that the atonement was not universal.

    As expected, Calvin was right! :thumbsup:
     
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    Simple, the atonement must be applied, and it is only applied through faith. See the OT atonement.
     
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    your conclusion is wrong. You have it right up until the Father justifying the one atoned for. Christ's death in itself does not save us. Faith in His death is what justifies.

    Calvin couldn't be more wrong.
     
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  16. Amy.G

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    What does it mean to be "bought" by Christ?
     
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  17. HisWitness

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    simple:::: through 1 man(adam) disobedience ALL were made sinners and had to die the DEATH.

    through 1 man(christ) obedience ALL were made Righteous and would recieve Life.

    that doesnt mean there is no judgement--the Fire is for the believer as well as for the unbeliever--burning out the impurities and the works made of wood,stuble,hay--but the man shall be saved so as by the FIRE is what Corinthians states--although there is much more to be burned out of the unbeliever than it is with the believer.

    1st Timothy 4-10: For therefore,we both labour and suffer reproach,because we trust in the living God,WHO is the SAVIOUR of ALL MEN,specially of those that believe.

    Christ has BOUGHT ALL MEN and is the SAVIOUR of ALL MEN :)
     
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  18. Amy.G

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    So you're a Universalist?
     
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    Jesus paying it all. THE propitiation. The blood of the passover lamb saved nobody apart from the application of its blood.
     
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    He seems to be more along the lines of M.E.
     
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