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Can a true Christian commit the unpardonable sin?

awaken

Active Member
Of course you do. Then when someone does not buy into your pseudo gifts then you can accuse them of being lost. Which is what this thread is all about. This misuse of this doctrine is your weapon in a world that rejects your shallow religion.
Well, you are way off base here! You have proved you do not know where this thread is going!

I have NEVER said anyone that did not believe in manifestation of the Holy Spirit/ gifts was not saved. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT..NEVER HAVE! So your accusations only futher prove my point! Attack the person when you can not defend your doctrine!

I was saved long before I embraced the truth of the work of the Holy Spirit that is still present today. So you have twisted this thread to say something I never said!
 

awaken

Active Member
I didn't add any words to the Bible. When I explain the Bible to you, you don't like my explanation so that is the silly accusation you make, but you know I am right.

What about the unpardonable sin? It cannot be committed today. It is impossible to commit this sin. Why? Look at the context. Take it from the beginning.

Matthew 12:22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
--Jesus performed a miracle by casting out a demon and healing this man.

Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Beelzebub was another name for Satan.
The accusation here was that he performed the miracle by the power of Satan.

Matthew 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
--A solid argument that could not be defeated.
The Pharisees claimed to cast out demons also. Jesus was a prophet among the people. If he cast them out by Satan then by whose power did they cast them out? The kingdom cannot be divided. IOW, if he was casting them out by Satan's power so were they.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
--Christ has taken his stand with the Father. He came to do the will of the Father. There are only two parties here. Satan and God. You are either on God's side (Christ's) or against Him. Which one?

Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Now go back to the beginning and remember that they brought to him one possessed of a demon, and he cast the demon out, and then they accused him that he did this by the power of Satan, also an evil spirit.

They were seeing Jesus, God in the flesh. They had heard his words, seen his miracles, and had just witnessed one of them. And yet they attributed this miracle to the power of an evil spirit, Satan himself. That is blasphemy! They attributed the works of Christ, this miracle of Christ to the power of an evil spirit, not to the power of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit through whom Christ works.

He stood before them as a man. He demonstrated his deity through his miracles done in the power of His Spirit which was the Holy Spirit. Instead of attributing that power to the Spirit of God they attributed it to the spirit of Satan. That is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

This cannot be committed today for Jesus does not stand in front of us doing miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit which we are able to attribute to the power of Satan. It is impossible to commit this sin today.

THe only way to believe the way you do is to say the Holy Spirit does not work in power today! Well, I will never admit to that! THe Bible is clear that the Holy Spirit is here and will continue to work around and through us until the return of Christ! Period! THe church age is not over!
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
THe only way to believe the way you do is to say the Holy Spirit does not work in power today! Well, I will never admit to that! THe Bible is clear that the Holy Spirit is here and will continue to work around and through us until the return of Christ! Period! THe church age is not over!
Now who is limiting the power of God?
You actually believe there are those on this earth that Christ cannot save?
Is the God you believe in so weak that there are those he cannot save?
Pity!
 

awaken

Active Member
Now who is limiting the power of God?
You actually believe there are those on this earth that Christ cannot save?
Is the God you believe in so weak that there are those he cannot save?
Pity!

How did you get that from my post??
Lets stop boring people with this..and get back on the subject of the unpardonable sin. Unless you would like to open up another thread...
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
How did you get that from my post??
Lets stop boring people with this..and get back on the subject of the unpardonable sin. Unless you would like to open up another thread...
Look, more than any other person, I went to the passage and posted verse by verse what each meant, and showed you how I came to the conclusion I did. It was the right conclusion. If you disagree, then obviously you believe it can be committed today. If that is true there are those that cannot be forgiven or cannot be saved. The God you serve is so weak that there are some that He cannot save. That is what you believe. If the unpardonable sin can be committed today, then Jesus cannot save today. He is that weak! That is what you believe. Shameful!
 

awaken

Active Member
Since Christ is not here, and He is not doing the works He did back then it is impossible to do that error.

I will say this again...the Holy Spirit came on the day of Pentecost, to remain with the church until it is complete and presented to the Lord Jesus at His coming. Just as Jesus Christ finished the work He came to do in the flesh, so the Holy Spirit will finish the work He came to do in the church/Christ body! We are the body of Christ...the Holy Spirit works through His church/body!
So if the Holy Spirit is working through the church..and we blaspheme that work and give credit to satan for what the Holy Spirit is doing. I see it as the same thing! The same Spirit that could be blasphemed then can be blasphemed now!

I am not saying that all we see that is going on is all God...but we better be careful!
 

Revmitchell

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
So if the Holy Spirit is working through the church..and we blaspheme that work and give credit to satan for what the Holy Spirit is doing. I see it as the same thing! The same Spirit that could be blasphemed then can be blasphemed now!

Of course you do. You need your little weapon to defend the indefensible. Christ is not here personally doing the works He did. Therefore there is no possibility of committing this sin. You have taken things out of its context.

And let me be clear. I am not a cessationist. I do not believe as others do that scripture declares the gifts have, at this time, ceased.
 

awaken

Active Member
Look, more than any other person, I went to the passage and posted verse by verse what each meant, and showed you how I came to the conclusion I did. It was the right conclusion. If you disagree, then obviously you believe it can be committed today. If that is true there are those that cannot be forgiven or cannot be saved. The God you serve is so weak that there are some that He cannot save. That is what you believe. If the unpardonable sin can be committed today, then Jesus cannot save today. He is that weak! That is what you believe. Shameful!

Do you see your reasoning here? Do you think that He could not save or forgive back then?
My God is not weak! He paid the ultimate price for all to be saved! We have a choice! Just as they did back then!
 

awaken

Active Member
Of course you do. You need your little weapon to defend the indefensible. Christ is not here personally doing the works He did. Therefore there is no possibility of committing this sin. You have taken things out of its context.
No, I have kept them in context! You just don't like to think that there is still a possibility that this sin can be committed! It makes you feel uncomfortable in the flesh!

THe church is here to carry out what Jesus started..with the power of the Holy Spirit! Period!
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
Do you see your reasoning here? Do you think that He could not save or forgive back then?
My God is not weak! He paid the ultimate price for all to be saved! We have a choice! Just as they did back then!
You ignore context.
Back then they were confronted with the Christ, the Son of God, God come in the flesh. Back then Christ performed miracles that not even the apostles could perform. He did so demonstrating his deity. They denied his deity and attributed the power of His work to Satan rather than the Spirit.
That cannot be duplicated today. Christ does not walk on this earth performing such miracles that can be attributed to Satan.

In fact the Bible clearly says "he is able to save unto the uttermost."
IOW, he is able to save all who come to him.
Christ is not so weak that He is not able to save some, as you seem to think.
 

webdog

Active Member
Site Supporter
I will say this again...the Holy Spirit came on the day of Pentecost, to remain with the church until it is complete and presented to the Lord Jesus at His coming. Just as Jesus Christ finished the work He came to do in the flesh, so the Holy Spirit will finish the work He came to do in the church/Christ body! We are the body of Christ...the Holy Spirit works through His church/body!
So if the Holy Spirit is working through the church..and we blaspheme that work and give credit to satan for what the Holy Spirit is doing. I see it as the same thing! The same Spirit that could be blasphemed then can be blasphemed now!

I am not saying that all we see that is going on is all God...but we better be careful!

Are you implying everything the church does is by the spirit, because I see a lot of the world seeping into it.
 

awaken

Active Member
You ignore context.
Back then they were confronted with the Christ, the Son of God, God come in the flesh. Back then Christ performed miracles that not even the apostles could perform. He did so demonstrating his deity. They denied his deity and attributed the power of His work to Satan rather than the Spirit.
That cannot be duplicated today. Christ does not walk on this earth performing such miracles that can be attributed to Satan.

In fact the Bible clearly says "he is able to save unto the uttermost."
IOW, he is able to save all who come to him.
Christ is not so weak that He is not able to save some, as you seem to think.

So now you tell me what I am thinking even after it is plain in my post that my God is not weak!
You ignore the power of the church! The same power of the Holy Spirit operates today through His church! That same power is is questioned even today! Same Spirit..
 

awaken

Active Member
Eather you should pay attention or repent of the condescending. Just your God?

I can not claim God for everyone..that is personal! DHK called my God weak! I corrected him with the same words. Stick to the topic and stay off me personally!
 

awaken

Active Member
Are you implying everything the church does is by the spirit, because I see a lot of the world seeping into it.
Not all churches! But I do agree the world/man has pushed the Holy Spirit out and control most of the church services! But I also see in alot of denominations that they are tired of religion and they are seeking Him!
 
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