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Discussion in 'History Forum' started by Rippon, Apr 27, 2013.

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  1. Amy.G

    Amy.G New Member

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    Blasphemy? Really?? Is Calvin God??
     
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    And more blasphemy from you Amy.
     
  3. Amy.G

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    Who have I blasphemed?
     
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    The Lord. Only the Lord can be blasphemed.
     
  5. Amy.G

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    Yes I know that! No one, including me has blasphemed the LORD!!!!

    Yet you accused RevMitchell of blasphemy and then accused me. Show a post where either of us committed blasphemy.
     
  6. saturneptune

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    I hope that gets you banned.
     
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    Strike two towards banning. You do not have an ounce of common sense.
     
  8. plain_n_simple

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    Lol, Rippon won't get banned.
     
  9. Rippon

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    I beg to differ.

    I made a mistake there,sorry RM. It was auimed at Sat/Nep. RM's quote was encased in S/N's post number 16. And although RM's barbs are highly inflammable and came close S/N winds the award.

    Just look at your post #21 for reference.
     
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    It looks like many anti-Calvinists have come over to the history section for the first time to say vile things unrelated to the theme of the thread. I think all of you are disgraceful. You can't seem to come up with any honest historical references to John Calvin;so you throw around your dirt thinking you are accomplishing something. But all you are doing is shaming yourselves.
     
  11. Amy.G

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    What are you talking about???????
     
  12. Rippon

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    Now that is the blasphemy that is so objectable. (As if some is not!)
     
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    It has nothing to do with believing in God's sovereignty or not. It is your insistence on elevating a murdering theological thug to a position of honor. That is three people you have accused of blasphemy. Now why don't you shut your fat ignorant mouth.
     
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    Some more from Vollmer's book :

    He quotes Dr. Lindsay who wrote "History of the Reformation".

    "Every instance by modern historians to prove,as they think,Calvin's despotic interference with the details of private life,can be parralled by references to the police books of mediaeval towns in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. To make their ground of accusation against Calvin is simply to plead ignorance of the whole municipal police of the later Middle Ages. To say that Calvin acquiesed in or approved of such legislation is simply to show that he belonged to the sixteenth century." (70)
     
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    He quotes Dr. Schaff again :

    "Calvin found the commonwealth of Geneva in a condition of license bordering on anarchy;he left it a well-regulated community. If ever in this wicked world the ideal of Christian society can be realized in a civil community with a mixed population,it was in Geneva from the middle of the sixteenth century to the middle of the eighteenth century,when the infidel genius of Rousseau (a native of Geneva) and of Volataire (who resided twenty years in its neighborhood) began to destroy the influence of the reformer." (172,173)
     
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    Vollmer states on page 184:"Calvin's idea of union,being far from the idea of governmental unification,was also far from requiring sameness in detail of doctrine. The traditionally 'intolerant 'reformer was willing to compromise in every direction on matters of order,discipline,ceremonies,and forms in order to heal schism,disunion,and alienation in the Reformed churches."
     
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    There is no purpose in this thread, or others you start, but to inflame, divide, and evoke an angry response, which you are very good at doing.

    It is not exactly a strawman, but similar. The implication of the thread is that God would never have exercised his sovereignty if Calvin had not been born. God was sovereign from eternity past before the idiot was ever born. You also link those who see Calvin for the disguisting life he lead with someone who does not believe in the sovereignty of God. Nothing could be further from the truth. The same pattern exists in your Bible version threads.

    Your last point is the worst I have ever seen. To justify the torture, executions, and lack of civil liberties he used in Geneva is disguisting. Your excuse is because everyone else was doing it. Didn't your parents ever say to you something like "if everyone else jumps off a bridge, are you going to do it also?"

    What on earth is your purpose in justifying this man's life? Aside from the torture and murders, it is quite clear he had a hobby of being a false witness. How does not write in the "Institutes" on the seperation of church and states and proceeds to meld them in Geneva, in a manner that is nothing short of evil. You ignore his stance on infant baptism. I could go on and on, and for anyone who has done any research on this man's life, it is impossible to come to the conclusion the world would have been better off without him.

    Basically, he tried to seperate himself from the RCC, but could never let it go. I bet you could come up with a positive commentary on Hitler.
     
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    Vollmer quotes Dr. Hagenbach:

    "Strict prohibitions against cursing and blaspheming,against games of chance,masquerades,dances,magnificence in dress,etc.,had been issued by the Genevan government as early as the fifteenth and the beginning of the sixteenth century,and that Calvin,consquently,cannot be regarded as the originator of such laws." (69,70)
     
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    Vollmer quotes Thomas M'Crie,who wrote The Life of John Knox:

    Knox said (in 1556):In my heart I could have wished,yea,I cannot cease to wish,that it might please God to guide and conduct yourself to this place where,I neither fear nor am ashamed to say,is the most perfect school of Christ that ever was in the earth since the days of the apostles. In other places I confess Christ to be truly preached;but manners and religion to be so seriously reformed,I have not yet seen in any other place besides." (174,175)

    He of course is speaking of Geneva eight years before Calvin's death.
     
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    Geneva was a church-city-state of 15,000 people, and the church constitution now recognized "pastors, doctors, elders and deacons," but the supreme power was given to the magistrate, John Calvin. In November 1552, the Council declared Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion to be a "holy doctrine which no man might speak against." Thus the State issued dogmatic decrees, the force of which had been anticipated earlier, as when Jacques Gruet, a known opponent of Calvin, was arrested, tortured for a month and beheaded on July 26, 1547, for placing a letter in Calvin's pulpit calling him a hypocrite. Gruet's book was later found and burned along with his house while his wife was thrown out into the street to watch. Gruet's death was more highly criticized by far than the banishment of Castellio or the penalties inflicted on Bolsec -- moderate men opposed to extreme views in discipline and doctrine, who fell under suspicion as reactionary. Calvin did not shrink from his self-appointed task. Within five years fifty-eight sentences of death and seventy-six of exile, besides numerous committals of the most eminent citizens to prison, took place in Geneva. The iron yoke could not be shaken off. In 1555, under Ami Perrin, a revolt was attempted. No blood was shed, but Perrin lost the day, and Calvin's theocracy triumphed. John Calvin had secured his grip on Geneva by defeating the very man who had invited him there, Ami Perrin, commissioner of Geneva.

    Calvin forced the citizens of Geneva to attend church services under a heavy threat of punishment.

    Michael Servetus, a Spaniard, physician, scientist and Bible scholar, was born in Villanova in 1511. He was credited with the discovery of the pulmonary circulation of the blood from the right chamber of the heart through the lungs and back to the left chamber of the heart. He was Calvin's longtime friend in their earlier resistance against the Roman Catholic Church. Servetus, while living in Vienne (historic city in southeastern France), angered Calvin by returning a copy of Calvin's writings, Institutes, with critical comments in the margins. Servetus was arrested by the Roman Catholic Authorities on April 4 but escaped on April 7, 1553. He traveled to Geneva where he attended Calvin's Sunday preaching service on August 13. Calvin promptly had Servetus arrested and charged with heresy for his disagreement with Calvin's theology. The thirty-eight official charges included rejection of the Trinity and infant baptism. Servetus was correct in challenging Calvin's false teaching about infant baptism for salvation, but he was heretical in his rejection of the doctrine of the Trinity. Servetus pleaded to be beheaded instead of the more brutal method of burning at the stake, but Calvin and the city council refused the quicker death method. Other Protestant churches throughout Switzerland advised Calvin that Servetus be condemned but not executed. Calvin ignored their pleas and Servetus was burned at the stake on October 27, 1553. John Calvin insisted that his men use green wood for the fire because it burned slower. Servetus was screaming as he was literally baked alive from the feet upward and suffered the heat of the flames for 30 minutes before finally succumbing to one of the most painful and brutal death methods possible. Servetus had written a theology book, a copy of which Calvin had strapped to the chest of Servetus. The flames from the burning book rose against Servetus' face as he screamed in agony.

    John Calvin celebrated and bragged of his killing of Servetus. Many theological and state leaders criticized Calvin for the unwarranted killing of Servetus, but it fell on deaf ears as Calvin advised others to do the same. Calvin wrote much in following years in a continual attempt to justify his burning of Servetus. Some people claim Calvin favored beheading, but this does not fit charges of heresy for which the punishment, as written by Calvin earlier, was to be burning at the stake. Calvin had made a vow years earlier that Servetus would never leave Geneva alive if he were ever captured, and Calvin held true to his pledge. Truly John Calvin is burning in Hell for his heresy, blasphemy of God and murder of many.

    Another victim of Calvin's fiery zeal was Gentile of an Italian sect in Geneva, which also numbered among its adherents Alciati and Gribaldo. More or less Unitarian in their views, they were required to sign a confession drawn up by Calvin in 1558. Gentile signed it reluctantly, but in the upshot he was condemned and imprisoned as a perjurer. He escaped only to be incarcerated twice at Berne where, in 1566, he was beheaded. Calvin also had thirty-four (34) women burned at the stake after accusing them of causing a plague that had swept through Geneva in 1545. John Calvin's actions were very paganistic like his mentor, Saint Augustine. Jesus and all of the Apostles would have abhorred and condemned these blatant mass murders.

    Exerpts from
    www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/​2643336/posts
     
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