Arminians do not preach universalism

In a recent thread I pointed out the solution to the Calvinist complaint that the Arminian unlimited atoning sacrifice at the cross - has an elegant Bible solution in the work of Christ not only at the cross but also in Christ's current work as our High Priest according Hebrews 8:1-5 being done while seated at the right hand of the Father sanctuary in heaven.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2050487&postcount=1

Four pages in - this Arminian solution was shut down - no explanation.

If certain Arminian solutions to Calvinists complaints about the Arminian POV - are not allowed on this C/A board someone please let me in on the secret.

For now -- I am assuming that the Arminian answer to that Calvinist complaint about the unlimted atoning sacrifice at the cross - is still a valid subject for Calvinist vs Arminian threads.

Having said that - I am not claiming that Calvinists will like the fact that Arminians have a Bible answer to their accusation.

in Christ,

Bob

 

I have been assured that the subject is welcome by the admins - but threads will end after a few days of being idle.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Until you "look" at the details on that thread and notice that not only are the Arminians in agreement with the explanation for the unlimited Atoning Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross - combined with the case-by-case ministry of Christ as High Priest "cleansinig the conscience from dead works" in Hebrews 8 and 9 after the cross... so even are some Calvinists like JonC accepting the Bible teaching on that point.

Your - "deny all" solution when something does not please your man made traditions - is not the compelling answer that you may have at first imagined.

in Christ,

Bob

 

The Bible concept of "atonement" in Lev 16 expands farther than the Calvinist downsizing of it - and so Christ as Sin offering AND Christ as High Priest are BOTH included in the Bible scope of the subject.

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Originally Posted by BobRyan
Hebrews points to Christ as our High priest in heaven in both Heb 8 and 9 and He does his ministry - in heaven - seated at the right hand of the Father.

Heb 8
The New Priestly Service

8 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.


Heb 4
14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

"We HAVE a High Priest" who "IS a Minister" - not "We HAD a High Priest".


Heb 9
arnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: