Featured FREE WILL and PREDESTINATION

Case closed! Let the reader judge whose response has substance and which has not.

 

In Romans 9 Paul is defending the right of God to work with, bear long with - have much patience with those that He foreknows will fail in the end.

Romans 9

22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? 23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.

So then how is it that "enduring with much patience" in the case of those that God foreknows will fail in the end - is a way to "make known the riches of His Glory" to the saints?

What are the saints looking at in the case of the lost - that results in "the riches of God's Glory" being revealed when it is shown that God deals with the lost "with much patience"??

It works in the Arminian model - but not in the Calvinist model as the "Calvinist future scenario" demonstrates as compared to the "Arminian future scenario".

in Christ,

Bob

 

You believe if you keep repeating the same error, over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, etc.... again that it makes you correct.

Many words do not make you correct, they just make people sick of reading your obsessively long posts.

 

Readers, I was willing to simply let the content of the past posts speak for themselves and I was willing to simply let it go.

Look, who is repeating himself????

 

Exactly!

Actually I like your posts. They're Scripture based, accurate and do a great service for the cause of Christ unlike the scripture wrested posts of winman and other anti-cal and arminians of his ilk here on BB.

Keep and continue to guard the faith brother. :thumbs:

 

I also enjoy them!:thumbsup:

 

Right, I am the guy who is so infatuated with himself that I quote myself repeatedly.

 

Darn, got me again with that Calvinist logic! How could I have overlooked this reasoning!

 

reading the cartoon was more enjoyable than reading winmans post.at least the cartoon did not deny scripture.

 

Brother Benjamin, God can determine something coming to pass just by allowing it. The fall, Satan's rebellion both came to pass by allowing them to do it, and not by Him coercing them to do it. Adam's arm wasn't twisted, neither did He place evil within Satan which then would have caused him to rebell.

 

The subject is predestination of all men, their response, their inability to choose or do they have the free will to consciously make a decisions/respond. No one, at least I am not denying the fall of Adam, that is not even the subject here:

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Either God determines a man's choice or He does not, If God pre-determined/predestined a man's nature to whether he will respond or not - same thing, that's why I showed you the simple logic fallacy to falling back on such a claim, got it?

FYI, I claim God maintains Providential Sovereign Control over all the world of His divinely designed volitional creatures, that is quite different than the Deterministic Sovereign Control that all 5 points of the TULIP must logically hinge on which Calvinist must depend on.

After I mentioned double-talk and trying to have it both ways on this issue (free will or predestination) you bring up the fall of Adam and say God determines things but deterministically? Really???

All men have the nature to volitionally respond or not.

If not, this is what you unavoidably have either way you'd like to play it.

 

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Finally, an analysis of substance. Hit the proverbial nail on the head.

 

"weather" ??????

 

Water (H20) to me doesn't exist, so therefore it has no definition.

 

Pay no attention to the denier of Calvinism's doctrine. According to Calvinism, God predestines everything. Therefore the concept of "free agency" is a fiction. It does not matter how many intermediate causes the Calvinism deniers insert, if each and every one of them is predestined by God, then God and only God is responsible for the end point action. No matter how many tubes of lipstick you smear on that pig, including free agency pink, its still a looney tune.

 

The Biblical view is God causes or allows whatsoever comes to pass. But that is not, repeat not, the Calvinist view. Calvinism teaches God predestines whatsoever comes to pass. He either causes it directly or indirectly, He is the Calvinist God of compulsion. A fiction yes, but one no Calvinist can deny.