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What is your proof it is not literal?

 

I agree wholeheartedly. Good stuff.

 

Post #9

If He were in the grave for three days and three nights, then He would have risen on the fourth day

But scripture states over and over again that He rose on the third day

And the guards were placed at the tomb until the third day


You can hang your hat on Him being in the grave for a literal three days and three nights (rising on the fourth day), or you can go with the two dozen or so which say He rose "on the third day"

But you cannot have both in the same sense, at the same time.


But, if you meant to ask if I have corroboration, here is one link:

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/3days-3nights.html

 

That is the reason I posted both Mark 16:1 and 2. In 1 I believe is is speaking of a specific sabbath the 15th day of the first month and the reason for the singular, however in v2 the structure is because to show the first day of a seven day week is is written as in from sabbath to sabbath and the first thereof day following sabbath.

However the structure of Matt 1 appears to me to show both being both words doe sabbath are in the plural. After the sabbaths 15th day and weekly
and on the first of sabbath to sabbath.

Once again I confess I know, no Greek.

I will have to leave it up to you Greek fellers to work all that out.

 

So it could have been both after and on if it happened at an exact time.

 

Just for the record. Jesus said.

Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

Jesus was the Passover lamb which puts the Passover very near the spring equinox. Therefore I assume if Jesus said there were twelve hours in the day relative to night then he also there were twelve hours in the night.

Jesus said. The Son of man would be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Whatever, the heart of the earth is.

I believe we can assume that God is fairly exact relative to; But when the fulness of the time was come. G4:4

On the third day, in three days, after three days, will be three days and three nights in.

I would say, will be three days and three nights in, would be the more definitive of all and that all the rest could fall within, three days and three nights.

 

The difficulty arises over whether each day and night was 12 hours long, or whether a partial day or night could be counted as a day or night.

If three days and three nights means 72 hours, then Jesus would have been placed in the tomb almost precisely at sunset on Wednesday, which would have been the beginning of Thursday to the Jew. Thus, you have Thursday night and day (24 hours), Friday night and day (24 hours), and Saturday night and day (24 hours). Jesus would have to arise at almost precisely sunset, the beginning of Sunday in this case. This does not seem to fit the story well however.

If partial days and nights are considered days and nights there are less problems. Jesus died on Thursday afternoon and was placed in the grave before sunset. He may have only been in the grave several hours before sunset, but this would be the first day. Then you have sunset, which is Friday to the Jew (1st night), Friday morning (2nd day), Saturday evening (2nd night) and morning (3rd day), and then at sunset it would be Sunday (3rd night). Jesus could rise anytime during the night before sunrise, it would not necessarily have to be a full 12 hours night-time.

I personally believe that partial days/nights were considered days/nights in the account.

 

It was all - until, on, and after the third day - with no relation at all to an exact time.

He died somewhere around 3:00 in the afternoon (Matt 27:45-46, Mk 15:33-37, Lk 23:44-46), which would have been close to three hours before the day ended/next day began.

After He died, and before the Sabbath began, in (approx.) 3 hours, Joseph of Arimathea got permission to take the body, prepare it and place it in the tomb.

All that is to say that if the three days and three nights were literal, then a 3:00 death wouldn't jibe, either. For then if He rose on the first day of the week, He would have been in the grave longer than 3/3 (supposing a Wed crucifixion) or less than 3/3 (supposing a Thu or Fri crucifixion)

Wednesday crucifixion would have Him touching 5 days, Thursday crucifixion would have Him touching 4 days

So now we're stuck rejecting a couple dozen passages which declare it was on the third day, and we're also stuck recreating a time frame that allows for an exact 6:00pm death and resurrection, with no time to prepare the body and bury it.

Honestly, I am not assertive about any day of the week. I just think it's detrimental to assert a particular day of the week based primarily on an English-literal rendering of a Hebrew idiom.

As OldRegular accurately pointed out, the most important aspect of it all is that He did not stay in the grave.

 

Not so, Thursday afternoon works if partial days/nights count as days/nights

Thursday afternoon 3 hours- 1st day
Friday evening- 1st night
Friday morning- 2nd day
Saturday evening- 2nd night
Saturday morning- 3rd day
Sunday evening anytime before sunrise- 3rd night.

Thursday works.

 

I agree 100% that Thursday works if partial days are counted as days. I've seen excellent cases made for Thursday or Friday.

I was alluding to the notion that a day is exactly 12 hours, and a night is exactly 12 hours.

If 3 days and 3 nights were only exactly 12 hours each, then we're in trouble with a whole lot of scripture - all because of only one verse

 

Can, three days and three nights, be exactly 12 hours each?

Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. John 11:9,10 KJV

How many hours would you walk using the above text if you walked for three days and stumbled around in the dark for two nights?

How many hours using your bible?

 

He was on the Cross the evening before the Sabbath Day. Friday.

 

Is the fourteenth day of Nisan always a preparation day?

 

It's not a matter of using the above text, percho. It's a matter of recognizing an idiom.

ONE verse says that He would be in the ground for three days and three nights.

20 or so verse say that He rose ON the third day.

Those two cannot both be taken in the same literal sense.

Most people who want to adamantly push this notion of a literal 3 days and 3 nights will advocate a Wednesday crucifixion, because there is simply not 3 full days and three full nights using any other day of the week

BUT, Wednesday is far too early to say that He rose ON the third day.

Suppose, for the sake of this argument, that He died at 3:00 on Wednesday (see the scriptures I already referenced as to the time of day). And let's agree on that Wednesday being the 14th of Nisan

The next day started at 6:00pm He would have had to be in the ground BEFORE 6:00, or else those preparing His body would have broken the Sabbath restriction against working. Even if it were 1 minute before 6:00pm, He would have been in the tomb ON the 14th,

The 15th would be Wed 6pm to Thu 6pm
The 16th would be Thu 6pm to Fri 6pm
The 17th would be Fri 6pm to Sat 6pm

In order to fulfill a FULL three days and three nights in the grave, He would have risen AFTER the 17th was fully complete. In other words, even if it were 6:00:01 pm, He would have risen ON the 18th, by at least one second.

He would have touched 5 separate days - 14, 15, 16, 17, 18. Albeit, only by one minute and one second, but if you're trying to press an exact time frame, then those 61 seconds are critical.

So, He would not have risen ON THE THIRD DAY, as is stated in at least a dozen scriptures
Why would the Chief priests ask for guards UNTIL the third day, knowing He had promised to rise AFTER the third day ??

You're barking up the wrong tree when you start with an idiom that is stated ONCE, and then twist or reject a couple of dozen passages which stand in stark contrast to a literal understanding of that idiom.

 

Has anyone determined just what the heart of the earth,is, implies?

thus shall be the Son of man be in

concerning the resurrection (from the dead) of the Christ that not was left the soul of him in Hades

When did the soul enter Hades?


Was the Son of man dead for three days and three nights or was the Son of man entombed three days and three nights.

Does this matter relative to the start time of the three days.

'And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known -- not even the messengers who are in the heaven, not even the Son -- except the Father. Matt 24:36

Just any day of the week, just any hour of the day?

 

If Jesus had been whatever he was suppose to be for 72 hours 0 minutes 0 seconds and 0 milliseconds would he have been.

Three days and three nights
on the third day
in three days
after the third day?

 

I don't know. Is March 3 always a Monday? We're told it was preparation day for the Sabbath.

 

I'm curious about the poll.

"Other Answer" and "Christ Did Not Die" each received one vote.

Would those voters care to offer a position? I'm speculating about one answer, but I'd rather not.

 

I have wondering the same.