Humans descended from monkeys

[webdog]

The linked article was interesting. It certainly showed one person's effort to determine what the Hebrew word "afar" was meant to convey to us. The article concluded "dirt" came closer to the intended message than dust.

How about thinking that afar refers to whatever God has provided for building. If you build with stones mud and straw, you are using "afar." Note if an animal is burned (on an alter) the remains, what had been used to form the animal, are called "afar."

Thus it is consistent with scripture to say man was formed from whatever God used, dirt, or mud, or water, or a primate.

It is taking great liberty to fit primate into the text. Why wouldn't God just say He breathed life into a hominid and not formed man from the ground?

 

[quantumfaith]

You say that God uses the evolutionary process to bring a creature to a certain state and then God decides to implant a soul {your post #14}. The immediate progenitors of Adam, and likewise a set of immediate progenitors for Eve, would presumably have all the characteristics of Adam including his intellect. So we have a population of these creatures intellectually equivalent to Adam and Eve consigned to the same death as an animal. Is this consistent with what is revealed about the nature of God. {I would note at this point that in my opinion the intellect of Adam, not the knowledge, was superior to that of Adam's progeny who through time suffer from the affects of the fall.}

OR...... No I don't KNOW, but I certainly think it possible. It is quite possible that the neshama and/or the imago dei are much "richer" than we can possibly speculate theologically about. It could be that this creative act of God brought much more regarding intellect, sentience, rationality, et al when God breathed in this "breath of life".

 

[Aaron]

Thus it is consistent with scripture to say man was formed from whatever God used, dirt, or mud, or water, or a primate.

You sure made a monkey out of yourself with THAT hermeneutic.

Thus, Genesis 3:19 is proven. ". . . for [a primate] thou art, and unto [a primate] shalt thou return."

:laugh:

 

[Aaron]

To tune of Dontchya Monkey with My Widder

♫ Dontchya monkey wit de Scriptures,

Ima tellin' yew de facks! ♪

Mah big, black ghost'll cumma

Sneakin' back! ♫

Gonna haint chew boyz

BOO! Ha-ha-haaaaaaa

If ya monkey wit de Scriptures when I'm gone. ♫​

 

[quantumfaith]

You sure made a monkey out of yourself with THAT hermeneutic.

Thus, Genesis 3:19 is proven. ". . . for [a primate] thou art, and unto [a primate] shalt thou return."

:laugh:

You were a cute little fellow, how old were you?

 

[Aaron]

Chicks dig a fella that can jam, no matter how big his ears are.:thumbs:

But, lest the point be missed . . .
Can you read "primate" into Gen. 3:19?

No?

Know why?

'Cuz it's crap!

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Really?? Forty-six posts following an April Fool's OP? Does it get any better than this?

(Please, God, somebody tell me it does ... )

 

[OldRegular]

OR...... No I don't KNOW, but I certainly think it possible. It is quite possible that the neshama and/or the imago dei are much "richer" than we can possibly speculate theologically about. It could be that this creative act of God brought much more regarding intellect, sentience, rationality, et al when God breathed in this "breath of life".

A good argument for why we don't need theistic evolution, intelligent design, or any other theory; just the truth that "God said" and it was so.

 

[Van]

Thus, Genesis 3:19 is proven. ". . . for [a primate] thou art, and unto [a primate] shalt thou return."

How about presenting the idea, rather than monkey business? "...for [raw material] you are, and to [raw material] you will return." The idea is that any material could have been used, not only inorganic material. This view is based on actually studying how the Hebrew word is used over 100 times in scripture.

Over and over again raw materials are used to make something, or the something made is reduced to its raw materials, i.e. from raw materials to raw materials.

 

[InTheLight]

you were a cute little fellow, how old were you?

rofl! Lol!

 

[quantumfaith]

How about presenting the idea, rather than monkey business? "...for [raw material] you are, and to [raw material] you will return." The idea is that any material could have been used, not only inorganic material. This view is based on actually studying how the Hebrew word is used over 100 times in scripture.

Over and over again raw materials are used to make something, or the something made is reduced to its raw materials, i.e. from raw materials to raw materials.

:applause::applause::applause:

I so agree with you, God formed and created man from the elements of the earth. The elements that HE created in the first place.

 

[percho]

Chicks dig a fella that can jam, no matter how big his ears are.:thumbs:

But, lest the point be missed . . .
Can you read "primate" into Gen. 3:19?

No?

Know why?

'Cuz it's crap!

Is crap afar?

 

[Van]

:applause::applause::applause:

God formed and created man from the elements of the earth. The elements that HE created in the first place.

Spot on, the raw materials of prior creation.

 

[quantumfaith]

Is crap afar?

Well, if it ain't our own, we sure hope so.

 

[webdog]

How about presenting the idea, rather than monkey business? "...for [raw material] you are, and to [raw material] you will return." The idea is that any material could have been used, not only inorganic material. This view is based on actually studying how the Hebrew word is used over 100 times in scripture.

Over and over again raw materials are used to make something, or the something made is reduced to its raw materials, i.e. from raw materials to raw materials.

Sorry but that is what is known as eisegesis. Whether it's dust or dirt it's not said to be anything but.

 

[Van]

Hi Webdog, my view is supported by how the word is used in scripture. Your view is but one (or two) possible specifics of raw materials. Dust is not plaster, dust is not animal ashes, dust is not a grave, and so forth. To deny that the word refers to raw materials, without study is eisegesis. You seem to be reading the traditional translation choice into the text, rather than letting the Bible present the meaning.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

So to the monkeys we return ?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Chicks dig a fella that can jam, no matter how big his ears are.:thumbs:

But, lest the point be missed . . .
Can you read "primate" into Gen. 3:19?

No?

Know why?

'Cuz it's crap!

Aaron is correct. You cannot squeeze "primate" into this.

 

[Aaron]

How about presenting the idea, rather than monkey business? "...for [raw material] you are, and to [raw material] you will return." The idea is that any material could have been used, not only inorganic material. This view is based on actually studying how the Hebrew word is used over 100 times in scripture.

Over and over again raw materials are used to make something, or the something made is reduced to its raw materials, i.e. from raw materials to raw materials.

God was not so general and unspecific in His meaning as you wish. He didn't say "dust" when He made Eve.

You're insistence that "dust" simply means "raw material of any form and source" is absurd, and, as shown twice by God's unequivocal usage of the term in the Creation narrative, just plain wrong.

If a laboratory tech asked you for a list of the elements, and you brought him a chart of primate physiology, you'd both have lost your jobs, you for your absurdity and he for slapping you for it.

 

[quantumfaith]

God was not so general and unspecific in His meaning as you wish. He didn't say "dust" when He made Eve.

You're insistence that "dust" simply means "raw material of any form and source" is absurd, and, as shown twice by God's unequivocal usage of the term in the Creation narrative, just plain wrong.

If a laboratory tech asked you for a list of the elements, and you brought him a chart of primate physiology, you'd both have lost your jobs, you for your absurdity and he for slapping you for it.

Rail on all you want, the very simple fact is that we and primates and all organic life on this planet are all formed, made, created, engineered, composed of the same elements. The elements of the universe. A universe created by God.