Featured Andrew Fuller

Yes, shuck and jive alert with bells and whistles.

This is how all Calvinists who post on this forum evade answering any questions (with the exception of 12 Strings.)

To repeat the question: If your point is God saves each and every elect person, and nothing we do affects that outcome, then evangelism seems to have merit only in rewards for service.

 

Paul and the Apostles were under the burden of the Lord to get His message out, to preach/teach/proclaim the truth of the Gospel, for sinners get saved whn convicted by the Holy Spirit, and when enabled to call upon that Lord spoken of and getting saved by Him!

 

God has chosen to save sinners thru the preaching/teaching of the Gospel, as he uses that message to wake up and save thru it those who acknowledge Jesus as their Lord/savior!

he did NOT choose to just "zap' all of the elect with saving grace apart from hearing the Gospel of that Grace!

 

Yes, the gospel saves. It does not impart immortality, neither does it regenerate, nor does it send one to heaven, it saves.

 

the ONE that the message is all about is the One that does all that though!

Apart from receiving him thru faith, NONE of that happens to a sinner!

 

That wasn't my point. You're confusing me with someone else.

 

No, scripture is quite clear, those receiving Him, those coming to the light, God has already wrought within them. Ye MUST be born from above.

Those believing on Him already have eternal life:

He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life;......Jn 3:36

.....He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life,...Jn5:24

... He that believeth hath eternal life. Jn 6:47

Belief on Christ is the biggest indicator one can have that one has been born of God.

 

I see where you tell me what you do not believe, rather than what you believe. Are you yet another who has difficulty standing firm for your beliefs?

I believe Calvinism is mistaken doctrine because it conflicts with the plain reading of scripture. Scripture tells us if we engage in evangelism, we can actually hasten the day of our Lord's return.

Or in other words, alter the outcome. Thus exhaustive determinism is unbiblical.

 

No, not all that, most likely I'm yet another that finds something nauseating in reading/responding to your anti-Cal rants.

 

Got to love the shuck and jive Calvinists, not answering my question while hurling yet another ad homenim pie my way.

If Calvinism was not mistaken doctrine, you would think more than one Calvinist would admit to Exhaustive Determinism, where nothing any of us do alters the outcome of our lives, let alone hasten the day of our Lord's return.

 

Thank you for making my point, again.

 

He has long been on my personal ignore list.:laugh:

 

Ah ha hah hah ha.....didn't he sell brushes too?!? :laugh:

 

Actually I've no doubt the intentions were good, and still are.

 

The path to hell is always paved with good intentions Larry.:smilewinkgrin:

 

Missions are a very good thing, not evil, and certainly not deserving of hell. Where in the world do you come off with that? I'll be plain, I am NOT anti-mission, at all. I am very much anti-mission false propaganda.

 

And you yet again failed to address what you actually believe, but are long on the use of the non sequitur.

 

I'm mainstream Primitive Baptist, which are among the last of the Gillites.

You going to start blaspheming them now?

 

Me too.:thumbsup:

 

believing on Him was when they were born again!