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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Iconoclast, Jun 21, 2014.

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  1. DHK

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    I am not firmly settled one way or the other on being right or wrong, but you, and others, have made many valid points.

    That is why I said you're probably right.
     
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    The Confessions are the attempted of godly men to understand and explain what the doctrines God gave to us in the Bible are, but they must NEVER be elevated to the place where those explainations are said to have been inspired by the Holy Spirit, nor that those Confessions are on par with the Bible itself!

    Some seem to almst would have them like Rome views tradition, equal to the sacred scriptures!

    If I want to know who God is, what His atrributes are, i MUST go to the bible, not to ANY Conessions/Creeds/dtatement of faith. cathchism etc!
     
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    You sound like the now banned Saturneptune:"You can take your dead theologeans[sic], their writings and their opinions and make rolls of toilet paper for all I care."

    Grow up in the faith DHK. Don't despise wisdom of the past. Many godly men of the past can help us understand the Word of God.
     
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    can you show one example where any of these men even begin to suggest this? If you cannot you really are not saying anything. The confessions themselves state that is not the purpose. Have you ever read any of the confessions yourself....or are you just going on second hand ideas?

    Show where this happens...give an example, cut and paste at least one or two.

    As if the men who wrote these teachings did not do that? they were godly men who spent many hours carefully wording these documents....I think you have not read them based on what you post.

    You claim you go to "the Bible'...but when KYRED asks you to offer any scripture...you never do....why is that?
     
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    Yes...this could be another thread...coming to the BB very soon:laugh:
     
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    you thought you did...but you really did not.

    Your posting proves what I said about it despite your twisting of my words.

    I will stand by what I posted....and recommend you read the post by brother reformed who articulated it much clearer than I did.Furthermore ...I recommend the posting of RM...and Rippon , and Bosley as they have tried to help you.:love2:
    I am sure they did...I am having doubts about you however as you persist with your attack on these godly saints.

    While no creature can fully comprehend and infinite God.....we can have His mind as he has revealed those portions that we can understand as the Spirit allows.....

    16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

    opps...guess that slipped by you:laugh:

    You would not worship that God??? that makes you and Winman:thumbs:

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    I will stand by what I posted as I explained it is your M.O. to do that.

    No one claims that...oh strawman creator....show where the 1689 says such a thing...you cannot...you made it up didn't you?
    these men see clearly what scripture says...they did not make it up, but just teach what is revealed truth...you might not see it, or agree...but your posting is lacking on all these accounts.

    ..umm...NO

    People are free to do what they want DHK. You can remain in your error but it will not help those souls who you inflict it on.

    I do not know your heart DHK...but this is saying you are not accountable to others. When someone drifts away ...far away from the historic teaching and declare themselves to be totally independent and not in need of correction that is very dangerous and unsound. The other brothers are united in speaking against this behavior.

    I will gladly accept teaching and correction from any valid source;
    Proverbs 4:13
    Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.

    Proverbs 6:23
    For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
    Proverbs 10:17
    He is in the way of life that keepeth instruction: but he that refuseth reproof erreth.

    Proverbs 12:1
    Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.


    You do not welcome this evidently:thumbs:
     
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    I never said I don't have other resources. In fact I have a library of approximately 2,000 books, and that is not including what is on my computer.
    I am not required by anyone's standard to to read Icon's mandatory reading list. So grow up and stop telling me what I should and should not read! :rolleyes:
     
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    Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
    34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counseller?
    35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
    36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

    Do you have a hard time reconciling Scripture Icon?
    No one has known the mind of the Lord. Not you; not the authors of the 1689 CoF.
     
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    Just because we do not agree with someone's answer does not mean they did not answer it.
     
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    well inspector J two people have already answered that they would not worship the God that is revealed in that confession so the question is valid
    the second thing is I'm asking you not to answer about the secret things of God as to what He has decreed obviously whatever things comes to pass I'm asking you what you make your decision for the Jesus that described in the 1689 confession of faith could you worship him 2 people have said no.

    again I'm asking you what could you do I'm not asking what God ordained
     
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    He did answer you, and he answered you honestly. If God has ordained that he worship him, then the answer is yes, if God has ordained that he not worship him, then the answer is no.

    Here is when he answered you;

    That is the ONLY POSSIBLE ANSWER to your question. If you do not understand that, then you do not understand what the 1689 CoF is teaching.
     
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    Anthony,

    I understand what you are trying to do here. Obviously the only answer a Christian can give to the question you pose in the OP is "yes". The reason that is the only answer possible is because you create a condition by stating, "If the God revealed in scripture was exactly as described in the 1689 Confession of Faith..." If our Arminian friends asked the same question about a document that supports their position then you and I would be compelled to say "yes". Why? Because we would be bound by the condition that their document accurately reveals truth about God. Of course my response to them would be that I do not accept the premise of their condition, so I could not answer the question in the affirmative. The pendulum swings both ways on this. Better to debate head-on the theological statement that the 1689 LBC makes in chapter 3 about God's Decree.
     
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    See, Inspector J, when I considered the 1689 CoF as being true, I still rejected it. So if the CoF is true, my ordained answer is no.

    Now, how can I believe the gospel, and yet be ordained to reject the 1689 CoF?

    That's quite a question.
     
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    What God has decreed will come to pass that is not in dispute.You divert from the question. I know these things will come to pass exactly as planned and purposed by God. That was indeed not the question....let me simplify it for you ...as it has escaped you.

    It matters in that none of us are given the knowledge of what God has not revealed. the question is.....
    Could you worship the God described in the 1689 confession as described in it..

    The God who elects, saves, predestines, has sealed His word in Scripture...or do you hate the teaching so much that you would not worship Him..that is the issue faced here......it is not a pure theological discussion...because I find a hatred for these teachings and exposing the hate is the first step to being able to discuss it.

    It is a real question....in real time.... I can answer as a Calvinist so to speak but that was not my purpose in this thread.

    thank you for your concern that I did not understand the confession ...if you see me stray from it...by all means offer correction.:thumbsup:

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    No doubt...and yet some said they would not....the could not worship a God who does these things...I find that very telling.
    And the 1689 Confession already answers that question for us:

    Sure...but again...I did not ask....IF YOU were foreordained...did I?

    I did ask...if the statements in the Confession were true and accurate...would or could you worship even if you do not quite understand every part of the document.

    It is like asking a person...do you believe God destroyed the world of the ungodly with the flood?
    While that is true...it was not the question once again.
    wrong...Jesus died to save the sheep....that is a fact...the question can still be asked.....are you a sheep? quite valid..

    everything in the CoF is true......do you believe in the God it describes is a valid question:thumbs:

    maybe not...

    no mistake...you avoid the question with this...

    No...they are still confused that is all.

    Correct....that is true of all sinners...nevertheless the question have you believed in this God is still valid.... the outcome belongs to God.

    if a person has a no answer ...we know how to proceed with them.
    again true...but still does not invalidate the question...


    I believe they were just disputed:thumbs:
     
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    Someone would call God a monster..and still think of heaven...???Not sure that would work out
     
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    I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for my sins and rose from the dead on the third day, but I absolutely reject the 1689 CoF.

    Now, explain that.
     
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