The sin that is taking the world by force.....

[righteousdude2]

Some will disagree with me, but at this time, there is one sin that is being forced upon all believers to accept and tolerate, and that is as seen in this link - http://www.aol.com/article/2014/06/...rid7|htmlws-main-bb|dl5|sec1_lnk2&pLid=494871

There are some who will say that fornication, and adultery are just as bad as the one named above .... but the truth is, the church can still judge a person for the sin of fornication and adultery and not be called politically incorrect or intolerant, or even be faced with losing their tax status. This is the one sin, that the church is being coerced into accepting as a normal way of life.

If you agree let me know in the attached poll!

 

[gb93433]

Think about those in the early church who sought to sell their things at the local market but before they could were required to pay homage to the idol as they entered the market. I am sure we guess what happened.

Today we have Christians being boycotted.

No sin is new sin. It has been there since man. We just have decide who we will follow and let the rest be history.

 

[JonC]

I know that it is p.c. in the Christian community to say that "sin is sin," and I agree when we are speaking of the consequence of sin and our relationship to God. But I do believe that there are lesser and greater sins. I think this because Scripture seems to indicate such (Matt. 11; Luke 12, for example). But there is also a difference in sinning and promoting sin (I'm thinking Romans 1:32). Actually, and now that I think of it, the "sin is sin" popularity has (IMHO...of course) become popular because of the LGBT agenda.

 

[JamesL]

Lose their tax status.....that's funny. I wish every church would lose their tax status.

Nobody's forcing anything upon Christians. Christians are bringing it upon themselves with their insistence that the unregenerate act like saints.

Cast them out of the church; but for crying out loud, quit appealing to the government to help you wrangle sinners into an ideal of morality. Maybe after the government stops them from being gay, there will be a law mandating they believe the gospel.

Oh, wait...Rome tried that about 1,500 years ago. How did that work out?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I know that it is p.c. in the Christian community to say that "sin is sin," and I agree when we are speaking of the consequence of sin and our relationship to God. But I do believe that there are lesser and greater sins. I think this because Scripture seems to indicate such (Matt. 11; Luke 12, for example). But there is also a difference in sinning and promoting sin (I'm thinking Romans 1:32). Actually, and now that I think of it, the "sin is sin" popularity has (IMHO...of course) become popular because of the LGBT agenda.

With this, Jon, I have to disagree. "Sin is sin" relates directly to the fact that any sin separates the unbeliever from God, necessitating a Savior who is Christ.

Only in this temporal setting do some sins "outrank" others. Before God, no degree of lessor or greater sin is considered. Before Him, indeed, "sin is sin." And it requires judgment, whether of a sexual nature or of some "lessor" nature such as gluttony or gossip. It all matters to the same degree in His eyes.

 

[Zaac]

Lose their tax status.....that's funny. I wish every church would lose their tax status.

Nobody's forcing anything upon Christians. Christians are bringing it upon themselves with their insistence that the unregenerate act like saints.

Cast them out of the church; but for crying out loud, quit appealing to the government to help you wrangle sinners into an ideal of morality. Maybe after the government stops them from being gay, there will be a law mandating they believe the gospel.

Oh, wait...Rome tried that about 1,500 years ago. How did that work out?

:applause::applause:

While some would constantly have you believe that the sexual sin of a specific group of folks is what ails the world, I offer a different POV.

 

[pinoybaptist]

.............

Nobody's forcing anything upon Christians. Christians are bringing it upon themselves with their insistence that the unregenerate act like saints.

Cast them out of the church; but for crying out loud, quit appealing to the government to help you wrangle sinners into an ideal of morality...........

:thumbsup:
you can't legislate morality.
the laws of God are for His people and theirs only.
the call for repentance is for the regenerate, not the unregenerate.

 

[Zaac]

:thumbsup:
you can't legislate morality.
the laws of God are for His people and theirs only.
the call for repentance is for the regenerate, not the unregenerate.

Every aspect of our media and music has normalized all sorts of heterosexual hedonistic sin into it. Everybody else is just trying to match what we've already "accepted".

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Every aspect of our media and music has normalized all sorts of heterosexual hedonistic sin into it. Everybody else is just trying to match what we've already "accepted".

Your ability to read and reason is seriously brought into question by this post.

What part of "Nobody's forcing anything upon Christians. Christians are bringing it upon themselves with their insistence that the unregenerate act like saints" do you utterly fail to understand? I know ... the answer is "all of it."

You apparently are willing to excuse hedonistic, sinful behavior because other hedonistic, sinful behavior is "accepted." That's ignorant, because we as Christians do not condone or accept adultery, pornography or other sexual sin either.

You're laying the blame of the heterosexual "unregenerate" at the feet of Christians as though you expect us to put a stop to all types of sin. Tell me, Zaac, how? Or perhaps you are encouraging us to legislate morality for everyone?

 

[JonC]

With this, Jon, I have to disagree. "Sin is sin" relates directly to the fact that any sin separates the unbeliever from God, necessitating a Savior who is Christ.

Only in this temporal setting do some sins "outrank" others. Before God, no degree of lessor or greater sin is considered. Before Him, indeed, "sin is sin." And it requires judgment, whether of a sexual nature or of some "lessor" nature such as gluttony or gossip. It all matters to the same degree in His eyes.

I do agree with you that all sin separates the unbeliever from God, necessitating a Savior who is Christ. I do think that there are greater and lesser sins, but this is based on a few verses and I am not confident enough to stand upon my belief dogmatically (I know I may very well be wrong). Compare Adolf Hitler to Jim (whose only sin was stealing a pack of gum when he was a teenager) - both may be equally guilty of sin and deserving of judgment for rebelling against God, and equally in need of a Savior (sin is a manifestation, I believe, of our nature), but I do think Scripture speaks of greater and lesser sins (the lesser also being a manifestation of a nature deserving of death). Again, I do know that I may be wrong here and I have not worked out this enough to argue the point (just trying to let you know where I currently stand). With time and study, I may very well agree with you.

 

[Salty]

Lose their tax status.....that's funny. I wish every church would lose their tax status.

Income tax is based on profit. A church does not make a profit. I will address others taxes in a new thread.

..., quit appealing to the government to help you wrangle sinners into an ideal of morality. Maybe after the government stops them from being gay, there will be a law mandating they believe the gospel.

Case in point - the bakery did not want to bake a wedding cake for a hom0sexual couple. -At no time did the bakers insist the couple accept moral standards. Quite to the contrary - the couple demanded the bakery accept their immorality.

 

[Yeshua1]

Every aspect of our media and music has normalized all sorts of heterosexual hedonistic sin into it. Everybody else is just trying to match what we've already "accepted".

Except that the church does not condone hetrosexual sinning as now being acceptable and legit to God, as does in many quarters regard as acceptable and to be tolerated now things that God calls Abomination to Him...

NO MATTER who in the church condones it, still sin to the Lord!

 

[Zaac]

Except that the church does not condone hetrosexual sinning as now being acceptable and legit to God, as does in many quarters regard as acceptable and to be tolerated now things that God calls Abomination to Him...

NO MATTER who in the church condones it, still sin to the Lord!

And no one is saying otherwise. But if you're gonna harp on about what homosexual sin is doing, admit that hedonistic, normalized heterosexual sin paved the way.

Mardi Gras in New Orleans.
Carnivale in Rio.
Spring Break in Panama City, Daytona Beach, Cancun, Fort Lauderdale and South Beach in Miami.

NYC. The Vegas Strip.

Borderline pornographic Super Bowl ads.
Victoria Secret commercials.
AXE deodorant commercials.
Every soap opera and tv series glorifies heterosexual sin. And just about any movie that comes out does the same.
NFL cheerleading.

The clothing that's sold is ridiculous.

The normalized displays of heterosexual sin and lust have long paved the way for every other type of sexual sin to be taken out of the storage room and placed into the front window.

And while folks in the church may not be preaching from the pulpits that any of that stuff is right, they aren't making the fuss that they do about homosexuality.

Folks in the church are still watching the same crap that the unsaved watch that promotes normalized heterosexual sin.

Might as well just go ahead and admit it.

 

[Zaac]

But what exactly are Americans watching?

If you peered inside the windows of Christian homes with a blue flickering glow, you would find that they would be tuned in to basically the same programs watched by mainstream America. On a regular basis, here are the most popular shows practicing Christians are watching.

NCIS − 25 percent
The Big Bang Theory − 23 percent
CSI − 20 percent
Dancing with the Stars − 16 percent
Duck Dynasty − 15 percent
- See more at: http://www.onenewsnow.com/media/201...e-tv-same-shows-as-non-believers#.U7dPNfldVF4

NCIS is filled with heterosexual fornication being portrayed as normal. As do The Big Bang Theory and CSI. dancing with the Stars is just as lewd a display a lot of times as are the Victoria Secret commercials.

 

[righteousdude2]

Agreed.....

Your ability to read and reason is seriously brought into question by this post.

His ability to read something said by another and than respond shows that there is a serious gap between reality and his agenda, which is to blame the church for being one sided in how it views Fornication and adultery -vs- homo$exu^&lity. There must be some kind of brain disconnect with this guy as it is a pattern that rears its ugly head whenever the subject is raised!

In other words, their is the logical .... and the zaacical. Strange, but also a shame, as it keep sus from knowing the real person behind the typewritten words! :type:

 

[JamesL]

Income tax is based on profit. A church does not make a profit. I will address others taxes in a new thread.

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Case in point - the bakery did not want to bake a wedding cake for a hom0sexual couple. -At no time did the bakers insist the couple accept moral standards. Quite to the contrary - the couple demanded the bakery accept their immorality.

From what I understood about that case, they simply wanted a cake made regardless of their sexual persuasion.

But that recent case is the fruit of what the church has been doing for too long, attempting to coerce the government into mandating behavioral righteousness for unbelievers.

The church can stay out of government, for God has established governments and doesn't need help from us to accomplish His purpose

But when the church insists on nosing into the affairs of a secular government, then the secular minded people will buck against the church's influence.

 

[Zaac]

From what I understood about that case, they simply wanted a cake made regardless of their sexual persuasion.

But that recent case is the fruit of what the church has been doing for too long, attempting to coerce the government into mandating behavioral righteousness for unbelievers.

The church can stay out of government, for God has established governments and doesn't need help from us to accomplish His purpose

AMEN! :applause:

But when the church insists on nosing into the affairs of a secular government, then the secular minded people will buck against the church's influence.

Yep. This is why the church is to judge inside the church and just preach the Gospel to the unsaved.

I guess it's easier to go after those outside the church than it is to deal with ourselves inside the church.

 

[Reformed]

Tax status is a whole other debate. I will say that churches have been misinformed about their need for being tax exempt.

There is a difference between homosexuality and fornication/adultery. One reason this is problematic for the Church is that it has, by and large, neglected its duties in holding members accountable for the latter offense. Churches will often turn a blind eye to pre-martial sex or marital unfaithfulness rather than confront it. For that reason, when it comes time to take a public moral stand against the homosexual agenda some churches either look like hypocrites or they remain silent.

 

[JamesL]

Tax status is a whole other debate. I will say that churches have been misinformed about their need for being tax exempt.

Tax status was mentioned in the original post, so it's not necessarily a whole other debate.

But, fwiw, Salty began a thread in the politics section about tax issues.

There is a difference between homosexuality and fornication/adultery. One reason this is problematic for the Church is that it has, by and large, neglected its duties in holding members accountable for the latter offense. Churches will often turn a blind eye to pre-martial sex or marital unfaithfulness rather than confront it. For that reason, when it comes time to take a public moral stand against the homosexual agenda some churches either look like hypocrites or they remain silent.

In my opinion, one of the biggest problems is that the church has preached that if lost people straighten up (some like the word repent), they can come join our club and have eternal security.

Then these unregenerate people "straighten up" to the best of their fleshly ability, and then invite their family and friends to also "straightened up" for eternal life.

Then they think that if they can just get the government to pass enough laws, then everybody will straighten up and have eternal life.

It's a hangover from the predominately Postmillennial thought which drove the abolitionists and prohibitionists.

The church is NOT going to make the world a better place before Jesus comes back, the world is going to go to hell in a hand basket.

 

[Yeshua1]

Tax status is a whole other debate. I will say that churches have been misinformed about their need for being tax exempt.

There is a difference between homosexuality and fornication/adultery. One reason this is problematic for the Church is that it has, by and large, neglected its duties in holding members accountable for the latter offense. Churches will often turn a blind eye to pre-martial sex or marital unfaithfulness rather than confront it. For that reason, when it comes time to take a public moral stand against the homosexual agenda some churches either look like hypocrites or they remain silent.

To me the BIG difference is that Homosexuality is raised up to being like race, and that the behavior in many "Christian" circles no longer seen as being sinful...

How many times have you seen a proud to be a raptist/murderer parade, and have the civil authorities sponsper and love on it?