Can the Bible Still Guide America's Footsteps on the Narrow Path?

[church mouse guy]

Amen, and Amen!:thumbs:

Thanks! I am sick of these religious leftists trying to tell us what to do when they belong to religious left churches and their own motive is to say that we have no right to criticize a President who lies to us more than Lyndon Johnson did. Obama himself is an anti-Christ.

 

[righteousdude2]

I know.....

Thanks! I am sick of these religious leftists trying to tell us what to do when they belong to religious left churches and their own motive is to say that we have no right to criticize a President who lies to us more than Lyndon Johnson did. Obama himself is an anti-Christ.

I, like you, have grown exceedingly tired of being called a homophobe because I speak about that particular sin being an abomination to God! When I speak out about our tax money being used to give the entitled cell phones that they can use for texting, etc., I am called anti-poor or a racist! When I say we need to send all immigrants here without documentation, I am called a racist or Mexican hater. Funny thing is, a lot of the illegals are from other countries, not just to our south!

When I say this POTUS needs to do as he swore to do and that is protect the interests and well being of Americans, I am called a racist. Again, I have not spoken any differently about this POTUS than I did about others when they didn't look to the best interest of Americans FIRST and foremost! Even Bush is responsible for a lot of what is going on today, as he ushered in the recession, and signed a murky amnesty like bill, mean t to protect and provide asylum to children smuggled here as sex objects. However, no one called me names then. Funny world we live in.

You are right on, and I believe most Americans would agree with your views! Shalom!

 

[Zaac]

We have people dying in our VA Hospitals because our President lied.

We have people all over the United States dying and going to hell because Christians are more focused on political foolishness than they are in sharing the love of Christ?

Yall have said repeatedly that the President isn't a Christian. What's our excuse?

 

[Zaac]

Thanks! I am sick of these religious leftists trying to tell us what to do when they belong to religious left churches and their own motive is to say that we have no right to criticize a President who lies to us more than Lyndon Johnson did.

Glad I'm not a religious lefty. And I for one haven't said you don't have the right to criticize. But criticize what the man has done or has not done. Don't disrespectfully start calling him names the way several do.

Obama himself is an anti-Christ.

No disagreement there. But to really believe that one should be able to acknowledge that Mitt Romney, John Beohner and several people on this board also exhibit anti-Christ behavior.

Folks choose to not judge righteously and not hypocritically in such situations because to judge righteously would also point the finger at the people they have been tauting as the solution.

The solution has been and always will be CHRIST. And if the Body doesn't figure that out and continues to bow at the altar of partisan politic, then we deserve more and more of whatever it is we don't want.

 

[Zaac]

You are right on, and I believe most Americans would agree with your views! Shalom!

Most Americans are on the way to hell. So is it better to point their minds to the things of Christ or to continue drawing them into foolish political arguments about the stuff of this dying world?

 

[church mouse guy]

I am guessing, Zaac, that you agree with Eric Holder that Obama's critics are racist. People are wondering what Christians have to say about the liar who has taken over the USA and who is changing this country into one big Detroit.

 

[Zaac]

I am guessing, Zaac, that you agree with Eric Holder that Obama's critics are racist.

Why would you guess that?

People are wondering what Christians have to say about the liar who has taken over the USA and who is changing this country into one big Detroit.

And I'm left to ask the question of why NOW are Christians so concerned about a man lying but presented every excuse known to man for what to say when someone questioned how does a Christian support a man who rejects Jesus Christ?

Now it might be this type of behavior where Eric Holder concludes that some of the President's critics are racists.

Because when you've got folks who are speaking on issues of morality and what a President has or has not done that measures up to anti-Christ behavior... when those same folks pushed for a man who 100% rejected Jesus Christ, then either they are worshiping at the altar of partisan politics or there is perhaps another problem with the man.

So yes a reasonable person could see how Eric Holder might conclude such a thing. Not that it has to be the truth ( even though I'm fully aware that he does have a lot of critics simply because of his skin color just as he has supporters because of his skin color), but I can see how one would reach that conclusion.

 

[righteousdude2]

Just.....

Why would you guess that?

... read all your accusations toward others on the board, and it is easy for someone to see you have a hidden agenda. You have been used race baiting for a long time know! You say it is Christian to not speak about the negative things of your elected POTUS?

Even so, I say we can't see the real person making these wild accusations, and if we could put a face with the oft hateful words we read, it would explain a lot! :thumbs:

 

[Zaac]

... read all your accusations toward others on the board, and it is easy for someone to see you have a hidden agenda.

What you have read is you and yourpartisan politics wanting to make me into what you want me to be because I don't have a problem calling your hypocritical brand of partisan politic unCHRISTlike.

You have been used race baiting for a long time know! You say it is Christian to not speak about the negative things of your elected POTUS?

Pure foolishness. It's you and your brood that have made issue of Barack Obama's skin color. Just ask the good Rev.

Even so, I say we can't see the real person making these wild accusations, and if we could put a face with the oft hateful words we read, it would explain a lot! :thumbs:

Gosh if my words identifying the lot of you as very politically-minded and not very CHRIST-minded is considered oft hateful, I wonder what measure we need to use for the disgusting display tall take with anyone who doesn't agree with your politics or the FACT that yall care more about your darn partisan politics than you do about loving folks and seeing them come to Christ?

As I've said before, you claim to take the highroad, but you're perhaps the biggest instigator with your little polls that do nothing but serve as a tool of the devil to foster more division over things that have ZERO eternal value.

And if calling such foolishness for what it is gets to be named hateful, then I'll accept that and move on. Because SURELY your continued brand of behavior over POLITICS is foolishness.

 

[righteousdude2]

Well .... thar she blows, matey?

What you have read is you and yourpartisan politics wanting to make me into what you want me to be because I don't have a problem calling your hypocritical brand of partisan politic unCHRISTlike.

Not true .... you continually alienate board members with the type of poorly thought out trash talk noted above. Case closed.

Pure foolishness. It's you and your brood that have made issue of Barack Obama's skin color. Just ask the good Rev.

I do not read all the threads, but never have I spoke ill toward Obama in regard to the color of his skin! I have always criticized him FAIRLY, based on what I see as his lack of initiative and his unwillingness to enforce the laws of this nation!

I dare you to show me one sentence where I say anything about his lackadaisical approach to running this nation being because he is black! I have, in fact, supported black people and named several that would be outstanding POTUSs. Starting with Powell and Rice.

You call me an instigator, son; you are always instigating and stirring the pot on this board with your vitriol speech, rants and accusation!

my words identifying the lot of you as very politically-minded and not very CHRIST-minded

PURELY SPECULATIVE ON YOUR BEHALF

You said, "is considered oft hateful, I wonder what measure we need to use for the disgusting display tall take with anyone who doesn't agree with your politics or the FACT that yall care more"

Wow! What a waste of words. Like sitting in the car, putting the transmission in neutral and gunning the engine. Like many of your angry rants, this is a good example of you making lots of noise while polluting the air, BUT you just sit there going nowhere in particular!

You say, "about your darn partisan politics than you do about loving folks and seeing them come to Christ?"

I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT ANYONE OF US ARE NOT INTERESTED IN LEADING PEOPLE TO JESUS. IN FACT I CAN ASSURE YOU I'VE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR A FEW THOUSAND LOST SOULS COMING TO CHRIST AND ANOTHER FEW THOUSAND REPENTING AND RETURNING TO THE NARROW PATH! I spent a good portion of my ministry reaching out to the lost in the skid rows of southern California, and speaking at hundreds of Christian high schools and colleges.

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Once again, you make judgements on people that is disgusting and reprehensible as well as dishonest and offensive!

As I've said before, you claim to take the highroad, but you're perhaps the biggest instigator with your little polls that do nothing but serve as a tool of the devil to foster more division over things that have ZERO eternal value.

MORE DISGUSTING, unchristian opinions of others who are born-again believers like yourself. Nevertheless, what you spew endlessly from your mouth and type unto your PC to send our way is nothing more than slanderous hyperbole; amounting to nothing more than depraved, diabolical, licentious and dare I say, border-line libelous words of judgement that you could be held legally responsible. I make a living with my writing of books, and if you were to maliciously damage my credibility with your bigoted rants and accusations; you could be held liable!

And if calling such foolishness for what it is gets to be named hateful, then I'll accept that and move on. Because SURELY your continued brand of behavior over POLITICS is foolishness.

Once again, who died and made you the judge as to what is and isn't foolishness? You need to take a better look at the Bible, especially Matthew 7:1-3, which appears to speak to the root of your problem, when it comes to not getting along with others, or playing nice in the playground of social media - "Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

Let me make myself perfectly and legally clear .....

Any further accusations of racism coming from you, regarding me, and how you percieve me to be observing the POTUS and his service to this nation, are speculation on your behalf. You need to remind yourself that my political views are guaranteed under the first amendment, and I am merely exercising that right. My observations regarding illegal immirgation, are mine to make, and it does not make me partisan, antipoor, racist etc., it is merely my right to exercise my right to free speech. Finally, anything I have to say about same sex marriage and those who practice immorality while claiming to belong to, or participate in the Church of Jesus Christ, does not make me a homophobe, and calling me such is again barring me from the exercising of my right to free speech. Your name calling is an attempt to bully me into backing away from my right to free speech, and it will not be tolerated!

Be assured, sir, I have reached the point of saying enough is enough! I am not racist, never have been racist. I am not a homophobe and have never been a homophobe. And I am instigating problems against you on this board to incite my peers against you! Any megative fellings or thoughts by others has nothing to do with me, but rather your own aproach to communicating.

Your imagination would appear to be getting the best of you, and I would suggest that you REALLY put me on ignore, to keep you from further, actionable offensives toward me and my character and person.

You have clearly moved away from the idea of this board, which is debate topics/issues, and instead of debating the topic, you are debating and debasing the person's views with your slanted perception by calling into question their character and motives! I do not believe this is in the spirit of the purpose of this forum!

This should not be perceived as a threat, but rather a stern warning that I am not going to tolerate further character assassinations and calling into question my credibility as a believer and a person!

 

[Zaac]

Not true .... you continually alienate board members with the type of poorly thought out trash talk noted above. Case closed.

Gosh, I'm so sorry that I see no reason to brown nose and buddy up with folks who show nothing of Christ's love for anyone who does not share their political views. If that makes someone feel alienated, then perhaps they need to fix the way they treat others.

I do not read all the threads, but never have I spoke ill toward Obama in regard to the color of his skin! I have always criticized him FAIRLY, based on what I see as his lack of initiative and his unwillingness to enforce the laws of this nation!

Yes go on and pretend to take the high road and then tomorrow come back and start a poll about. Thanks for admitting that you have spoken illy of the man.

I dare you to show me one sentence where I say anything about his lackadaisical approach to running this nation being because he is black! I have, in fact, supported black people and named several that would be outstanding POTUSs. Starting with Powell and Rice.

Some folks like to go on again and again about something that wasn't said. You got a bad habit of doing that and then trying to avow your goodness in the face of a lie you created just so you could defend your "honor".

You call me an instigator, son; you are always instigating and stirring the pot on this board with your vitriol speech, rants and accusation!

I'm not your son. Last I checked, my dad was dead and in the grave. You are indeed an instigator. You call it vitriol, rants and accusation because it plainly points out the hypocrisy and lack of Christian love being displayed.

my words identifying the lot of you as very politically-minded and not very CHRIST-minded

PURELY SPECULATIVE ON YOUR BEHALF

Speculative would be surmising. When there are daily demonstrations of how much more important politics is to some of ya than loving people and seeing them come to Christ, that's reality.

You said, "is considered oft hateful, I wonder what measure we need to use for the disgusting display tall take with anyone who doesn't agree with your politics or the FACT that yall care more"

Wow! What a waste of words. Like sitting in the car, putting the transmission in neutral and gunning the engine. Like many of your angry rants, this is a good example of you making lots of noise while polluting the air, BUT you just sit there going nowhere in particular!

Yes it' would be a waste of words to those guilty of the behavior who refuse to be corrected. There were a lot of those types around when Jesus was being crucified.

You say, "about your darn partisan politics than you do about loving folks and seeing them come to Christ?"

I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT ANYONE OF US ARE NOT INTERESTED IN LEADING PEOPLE TO JESUS. IN FACT I CAN ASSURE YOU I'VE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR A FEW THOUSAND LOST SOULS COMING TO CHRIST AND ANOTHER FEW THOUSAND REPENTING AND RETURNING TO THE NARROW PATH! I spent a good portion of my ministry reaching out to the lost in the skid rows of southern California, and speaking at hundreds of Christian high schools and colleges.

Kinda hard to believe that folks who show no love for anyone who doesn't share their politics would be concerned about that person's eternal soul. SO go gather up a bunch of illegal immigrants and ship them back to the nearest border crossing with Mexico and then start espousing to them how much you love them and that Jesus loves them and wants to save them.

If the folks that they can see who are supposed to be indwelled with the Spirit of God can't treat people with love, then why would anyone expect God whom they cannot see to give a flying twcents about them?

Once again, you make judgements on people that is disgusting and reprehensible as well as dishonest and offensive!

Call it like I see it. It's only disgusting and reprehensible to those who no doubt are used to folks backing down from calling their foolishness what it is. And as I've said before, I'm not the "will be bullied" type. So gather the reinforcements and pile it on. Right is right and wrong will continue to be called wrong.

MORE DISGUSTING, unchristian opinions of others who are born-again believers like yourself.

No more disgusting than what several say about the President, liberals or anyone else who doesn't share their political POV.

Nevertheless, what you spew endlessly from your mouth and type unto your PC to send our way is nothing more than slanderous hyperbole; amounting to nothing more than depraved, diabolical, licentious and dare I say, border-line libelous words of judgement that you could be held legally responsible.

Now go share that with friends and make it a tag line to remind several of what yall CONSTANTLY do everyday to anyone who doesn't share your political POV.

I make a living with my writing of books, and if you were to maliciously damage my credibility with your bigoted rants and accusations; you could be held liable!

Oh my now I'm really frightened. Get on here and act the fool about anyone who doesn't see things from your political POV and then have the gall to imply or otherwise legal action toward another brother because of the way a lot of you treat people? You're funny.

Once again, who died and made you the judge as to what is and isn't foolishness?

He died and rose again and indwelled me with His Holy Spirit. It makes clear what is foolishness.

You need to take a better look at the Bible, especially Matthew 7:1-3, which appears to speak to the root of your problem, when it comes to not getting along with others, or playing nice in the playground of social media - "Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

More foolishness. I remember the first sermon I ever preached was over those verses and how so many people misuse them because they don't like correction. I need to get you a u-tube so that the words you type can quickly be returned to you.

Let me make myself perfectly and legally clear .....

Any further accusations of racism coming from you, regarding me, and how you percieve me to be observing the POTUS and his service to this nation, are speculation on your behalf. You need to remind yourself that my political views are guaranteed under the first amendment, and I am merely exercising that right. My observations regarding illegal immirgation, are mine to make, and it does not make me partisan, antipoor, racist etc., it is merely my right to exercise my right to free speech. Finally, anything I have to say about same sex marriage and those who practice immorality while claiming to belong to, or participate in the Church of Jesus Christ, does not make me a homophobe, and calling me such is again barring me from the exercising of my right to free speech. Your name calling is an attempt to bully me into backing away from my right to free speech, and it will not be tolerated!

Now let me make something perfectly clear for you AGAIN. Creating lies just so that you can come back and proclaim your virtue is kinda...well everybody knows what it is.

Be assured, sir, I have reached the point of saying enough is enough! I am not racist, never have been racist. I am not a homophobe and have never been a homophobe. And I am instigating problems against you on this board to incite my peers against you! Any megative fellings or thoughts by others has nothing to do with me, but rather your own aproach to communicating.

Reading is Fundamental.:thumbsup:

Your imagination would appear to be getting the best of you, and I would suggest that you REALLY put me on ignore, to keep you from further, actionable offensives toward me and my character and person.

YOU are on ignore. Now if you'd just put me on Ignore and stop making comments about me or something I say, all will be well.

You have clearly moved away from the idea of this board, which is debate topics/issues, and instead of debating the topic, you are debating and debasing the person's views with your slanted perception by calling into question their character and motives! I do not believe this is in the spirit of the purpose of this forum!

Absolutely crazy that you feel like you have to make this pronouncement for the rest of the board to agree with you when it's the VERY thing that you and your clique do to anyone who doesn't share your political POV.

This should not be perceived as a threat, but rather a stern warning that I am not going to tolerate further character assassinations and calling into question my credibility as a believer and a person!

What needs to be called into question is your incessant need to defend things that haven't been said in order to make yourself look virtuous.:laugh:

 

[church mouse guy]

Gosh, I'm so sorry that I see no reason to brown nose and buddy up with folks who show nothing of Christ's love for anyone who does not share their political views. If that makes someone feel alienated, then perhaps they need to fix the way they treat others.

Oh, I love Democrats, Libertarians, and Socialists and Communists--I just don't like them.

 

[Zaac]

Oh, I love Democrats, Libertarians, and Socialists and Communists--I just don't like them.

That makes no sense. Love is greater than like. If you love them, how can you not like them?

You might not like what they DO, but that shouldn't have anything to do with liking or loving them.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

That makes no sense. Love is greater than like. If you love them, how can you not like them?

You might not like what they DO, but that shouldn't have anything to do with liking or loving them.

It's not surprising, given your track record around here, that you have no concept of the idea.

Love is selfless. It is Christlike. Unconditional. Loving them means you pray and hope for the best for them, not the least of which is for them to have saving faith in Jesus Christ.

You can love someone in spite of themselves -- like you, Zaac.

 

[Zaac]

It's not surprising, given your track record around here, that you have no concept of the idea.

Love is selfless. It is Christlike. Unconditional. Loving them means you pray and hope for the best for them, not the least of which is for them to have saving faith in Jesus Christ.

You can love someone in spite of themselves -- like you, Zaac.

And you just reinforced what I said. If love is all these things and it's greater than like, then how can you love them and not like them?

It appears you're the one with no concept of the idea.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

And you just reinforced what I said. If love is all these things and it's greater than like, then how can you love them and not like them?

It appears you're the one with no concept of the idea.

I have a very good concept of it. What the term means is that I don't have to like who you are to love you anyway. I can believe you are a very judgmental believer who picks and chooses what he wants to believe from the Bible and think your constant display of that fact drives me crazy, and yet still want for you to learn who you really are in Christ and for you to believe that equal to His love is His demand for obedience and His righteous judgment of the lost, even those that don't think they're lost, as well as His righteous reward according to what we have done with the talents and gifts He gives those of us who love Him.

I don't have to like the political viewpoints you espouse to love you as a brother in Christ, and I don't have to like the fact you seldom display the fruit of the Spirit yourself while accusing others of the very same, to be able love you and desire sanctification for you in every aspect of your life.

My love for you is the same as Christ's in that He took you just as you are but He loves you too much to leave you like that. Is that clear enough?

 

[Zaac]

I have a very good concept of it. What the term means is that I don't have to like who you are to love you anyway. I can believe you are a very judgmental believer who picks and chooses what he wants to believe from the Bible and think your constant display of that fact drives me crazy, and yet still want for you to learn who you really are in Christ and for you to believe that equal to His love is His demand for obedience and His righteous judgment of the lost, even those that don't think they're lost, as well as His righteous reward according to what we have done with the talents and gifts He gives those of us who love Him.

That's funny because I understand those things. If anything, your ascerbic tongue would testify that you don't.

And as I said, you can't get to love without like. You're speaking about behavior. Selfless love doesn't keep track of wrongdoing. So if you love them, why don't you like them?

I don't have to like the political viewpoints you espouse to love you as a brother in Christ,

Political viewpoints shouldn't have anything to do with liking or loving someone.

and I don't have to like the fact you seldom display the fruit of the Spirit yourself while accusing others of the very same, to be able love you and desire sanctification for you in every aspect of your life.

You like many others are just mad that again I don't have any qualms with telling ya that your behavior stinks. And if you don't think that displays the fruit of the Spirit, oh well.

My love for you is the same as Christ's in that He took you just as you are but He loves you too much to leave you like that. Is that clear enough?

It's quite clear that you're confused about loving/liking people and loving/liking things that they do.

 

[righteousdude2]

YOU are on ignore. Now if you'd just put me on Ignore and stop making comments about me or something I say, all will be well.

Please put me on ignore; don't pretend you have, do it! If you had me on ignore, that message you sent, which must have kept the midnight oil burning to compose, would never have been posted in response to my most recent comment on your behalf!

My publisher's legal advisor directed me to ask you to voluntarily CEASE AND DESIST any further verbal assaults on my character or integrity. They told me the following .... it is unlawful to engage in slander and defamation of another’s character and reputation consists of, but are not limited to the following
(1) a statement that tends to injure reputation;
(2) communicated to another; and
(3) that the speaker knew or should have known was false.

This is in fact a debate forum and we will run into each other from time to time, and I am surely not going to keep my opinions to myself, be it you or someone else. So, complying with your request to, "stop making comments about me or something I say" is not realistic. I have already relied to a comment or two today by you and been civil in the replies. That is all I am trying to do and get you to do!

So, they suggested this as a preemptive attempt to have you tone down your comments when it comes to me! In other words be civil toward one another when posting opposition to each others comments, opinions and threads. I will not have a problem doing this, so the ball is in your court!

I have been advised to keep it professional between us, and desire you do the same! However, should you fail to comply, they will look into issuing a formal CEASE AND DESIST order to you!

I believe you can, but time will tell! Shalom!

 

[Zaac]

Please put me on ignore; don't pretend you have, do it! If you had me on ignore, that message you sent, which must have kept the midnight oil burning to compose, would never have been posted in response to my most recent comment on your behalf!

My publisher's legal advisor directed me to ask you to voluntarily CEASE AND DESIST any further verbal assaults on my character or integrity. They told me the following .... it is unlawful to engage in slander and defamation of another’s character and reputation consists of, but are not limited to the following
(1) a statement that tends to injure reputation;
(2) communicated to another; and
(3) that the speaker knew or should have known was false.

This is in fact a debate forum and we will run into each other from time to time, and I am surely not going to keep my opinions to myself, be it you or someone else. So, complying with your request to, "stop making comments about me or something I say" is not realistic. I have already relied to a comment or two today by you and been civil in the replies. That is all I am trying to do and get you to do!

So, they suggested this as a preemptive attempt to have you tone down your comments when it comes to me! In other words be civil toward one another when posting opposition to each others comments, opinions and threads. I will not have a problem doing this, so the ball is in your court!

I have been advised to keep it professional between us, and desire you do the same! However, should you fail to comply, they will look into issuing a formal CEASE AND DESIST order to you!

I believe you can, but time will tell! Shalom!

You tell your publisher's legal advisor to voluntarily deal with his client. If your reputation has been slandered or anything else it's by your own words and behavior.

So let me make it abundantly clear for you AGAIN. I'm not the "gonna be bullied" type. So you can save the words of your publisher's legal advisor and anything else. Anybody who can read sees the pattern of lies you've told just so that you can come back and try to argue your virtue.

So please get your legal advisors to issue a formal whatever they want. You write some of the silliest stuff I've ever read on this board. :laugh: If you don't want anyone challenging your instigating and lies, don't post.

 

[righteousdude2]

You tell your publisher's legal advisor to voluntarily deal with his client. If your reputation has been slandered or anything else it's by your own words and behavior.

So let me make it abundantly clear for you AGAIN. I'm not the "gonna be bullied" type. So you can save the words of your publisher's legal advisor and anything else. Anybody who can read sees the pattern of lies you've told just so that you can come back and try to argue your virtue.

So please get your legal advisors to issue a formal whatever they want. You write some of the silliest stuff I've ever read on this board. :laugh: If you don't want anyone challenging your instigating and lies, don't post.

I did try. :thumbsup: