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Are you serious???
Shows ya something don't it....:laugh:
:thumbsup: Sounds close to what the scriptures teach. The first covenant was ADDED (casting a shadow of the good things of the Everlasting Covenant behind it):
What then is the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise hath been made.....Gal 3:19,
And then it was removed:
And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that have been made, that those things which are not shaken may remain. Heb 12:7
Never to be reinstated again:
.... Let there be no fruit from thee henceforward for ever....Mt 21:19
21 And a strong angel took up a stone as it were a great millstone and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with a mighty fall shall Babylon, the great city, be cast down, and shall be found no more at all.
22 And the voice of harpers and minstrels and flute-players and trumpeters shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft, shall be found any more at all in thee; and the voice of a mill shall be heard no more at all in thee;
23 and the light of a lamp shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the princes of the earth; for with thy sorcery were all the nations deceived.
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that have been slain upon the earth. Rev 18
I'm astounded, I marvel daily at 'the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and the knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments,' and I have the utmost confidence that His kingdom that has benefitted mankind beyond measure will never fail, and the saints are assured of victory in the end. This great confidence I have is, to a large degree, grounded in my eschatology.
Don't know why; PM Squire, maybe he'll tell you why.
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Yes good stuff. "He shall have dominion." Amen.
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Gal 3:19 sums it up well. "It was added... until..." Clearly a temporary covenant.
I'm not totally on-board with the identification of Revelation's Babylon with Jerusalem, though I certainly see how that could be the case.
Feel free to give me a substantial response if you feel up to it.
AH! RLB! That's one of the easiest to identify!
Then maybe that deserves a thread of it's own?
Clearly Rev 11:8 is condemnatory toward Jerusalem, but that identifies the city with Egypt and Sodom, not Babylon. Rev 17 (specifically verse 9) seems to identify Babylon as the city of Rome.
Tom Butler
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My late brother-in-law described himself as a "pan-millenialist." It's all going to pan out in the end.
In reality, he was a dispensationalist. I was a historical pre-mil. In other words, he was pre-trib, I was post-trib. That led to a number of discussions, of course.
One day he told me, "when the rapture comes, I'm grabbing your hand and we're leaving together, whether you believe it or not."
In reality, he was a dispensationalist. I was a historical pre-mil. In other words, he was pre-trib, I was post-trib. That led to a number of discussions, of course.
One day he told me, "when the rapture comes, I'm grabbing your hand and we're leaving together, whether you believe it or not."
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I heard an interesting piece once, that those who believe in a PreTrib rapture will be the first to take the mark of the beast because - they are not expecting to be here, so how could this be the beast?
Not saying I agree, but it was definitely food for thought
OK....I really don't give a wit about any of this. God will take care of it....so I don't need to speculate. Maybe I am the Pan Mil.:laugh:
That's fine. I'm not in the mood for arguing with those who don't want to examine this.
Take care.
It ain't worth it Tom....be well:thumbsup:
So when did the Second Coming and physically resurrection of the Body of christ appear in history then?
You would be as my Pastor, an historical pre Mil person...
I do not quibble over the timing of the rapture, as while still view it as being pre trib, can see support for mid/post postions, just cannot find support that we have been in the age of the messiah as foretold by OT prophets since time of His ascension, as A mil/post Mil presupposses!
OldRegular
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The "Parenthesis" in Classic Dispensationalism
Hyper dispensationalists apparently have a difficult time deciding whether Jesus Christ died for His Church or whether it was the Apostle Paul.
You are entitled to your opinion but it is a fact that "Classic Dispensationalism" teaches that the Church for which Jesus Christ died is a "parenthesis" an "intercalation" in God's program for Israel. Contrary to your claim Israel has not been "set aside". Rather they fulfilled the purpose for which God called them. They provided the vessel, actually it was the tribe of Judah, through which God would accomplish the Incarnation. Once that was done the people of Israel occupy the same position relative to God as anyone else.
Hyper dispensationalists apparently have a difficult time deciding whether Jesus Christ died for His Church or whether it was the Apostle Paul.
OldRegular
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I am amillennial but I have a very hopeful view of eschatology. The message of all of Scripture and particularly the Book of Revelation is that through the triumph of Jesus Christ over Satan, we Saints who compose the Church for which Jesus Christ died, WIN!
The physical resurrection of Christ was when He was resurrected. It's in the Gospels. What are you asking? Did you think I don't believe this, or what?
The second coming - the Parousia - happened in AD 70.
Identity of Babylon in Revelation Made Easy
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=71289&highlight=Titus
Wrong.
And their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Rev 11:8
And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and Babylon the great was remembered in the sight of God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. Rev 16:19
standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. Rev 18:10
Rev 11:8 clearly groups Babylon, Egypt, Sodom, and Jerusalem together as one and the same.
No, it does not.
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