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Featured Abbreviated Word Study G5087, tithemi

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Van, Aug 21, 2014.

  1. Rippon

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    Let's Play The Recording Again

    But no translation has it rendered as assigned in Acts 1:7, 1 Thess.5:9 and 1 Peter 2:8. Simply prove me wrong if you can.
    Oh, so now you have had a revelation. You are finally acknowledging that context is key in determining meaning --not a lexicon. Good on you.
    The words "set forth" is a spoken activity --not a heart action.
     
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    Yet another Calvinist redefining the meaning of words to alter the text to fit with man-made doctrine.

    Acts 5:4, While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

    Here I think set forth captures the idea better, the evil plan was not just conceived, it was developed, arranged and set forth in his heart as a plan of action. Can our wicked and depraved heart set forth a wicked and depraved plan of action? Judge for yourself.
     
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    Excellent. Conceived this deed in your heart is a proper rendering.
     
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    Acts 5:4, While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

    Here I think set forth captures the idea better, the evil plan was not just conceived, it was developed, arranged and set forth in his heart as a plan of action. Can our wicked and depraved heart set forth a wicked and depraved plan of action? Judge for yourself.

    There is a difference from having a depraved thought flash across our minds and hearts, and considering putting that thought into action, and thus meditating on it, and setting forth step by step an actionable plan, first this, then that, and so forth.
     
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    Yes, the word conceived conveys the import well. Sin had been conceived in the heart of Ananias. It had given birth there because Satan himself had filled his heart.
     
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    "Yes, the word conceived conveys the import well. Sin had been conceived in the heart of Ananias. It had given birth there because Satan himself had filled his heart." Close but no cigar. One of the Greek word G5087, tithemi meanings is to set forth not give birth. Set forth captures the idea better, the evil plan was not just conceived, it was developed, arranged and set forth in his heart as a plan of action. Can our wicked and depraved heart set forth a wicked and depraved plan of action?
     
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    I couldn't have said it better myself. ;-)
     
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    Close but no cigar. One of the Greek word G5087, tithemi meanings is to set forth not give birth. Set forth captures the idea better, the evil plan was not just conceived, it was developed, arranged and set forth in his heart as a plan of action. Can our wicked and depraved heart set forth a wicked and depraved plan of action?
     
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    From post 7 of mine.
     
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    Close but no cigar. One of the Greek word G5087, tithemi meanings is to set forth not give birth. Set forth captures the idea better, the evil plan was not just conceived, it was developed, arranged and set forth in his heart as a plan of action. Can our wicked and depraved heart set forth a wicked and depraved plan of action?
     
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    My last post dealt with Ac ts 27:12, 1 Cor. 9:18 and 2 Cor. 5:19. My post said nothing about Acts 5:4. Clean your glasses.
     
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    Is Tithemi translated as assigned or am I all alone?

    The fact that Rippon does not accept my views has been well documented.

    “Tithemi” has three basic meanings,
    (1) to set something somewhere;
    (2) to change the status of someone for a purpose; and
    (3) to present or set forth an idea or account, such as set forth the gospel. ​

    The second basic meaning of Tithemi is to change the status of someone for a purpose, either by designating a person for a task or office, or by establishing needed characteristics of a person such that they can complete a task or fulfill the requirements of the office.

    So if the context indicates a unilateral designation, then tithemi could be translated as "assign" or "designate," but if a person is both equipped and placed, then either "equipped and placed" or "established" seem better translation choices because the gifting by the Holy Spirit is not left out of the text.
     
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    Yes, in Matt. 24:51 and Luke 12:46.
    Most of the time you are all alone. It's hard to understand what you are arguing against here.
     
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    So others, scholars, also translate tithemi as assigned.

    “Tithemi” has three basic meanings,
    (1) to set something somewhere;
    (2) to change the status of someone for a purpose; and
    (3) to present or set forth an idea or account, such as set forth the gospel. ​

    The second basic meaning of Tithemi is to change the status of someone for a purpose, either by designating a person for a task or office, or by establishing needed characteristics of a person such that they can complete a task or fulfill the requirements of the office.

    So if the context indicates a unilateral designation, then tithemi could be translated as "assign" or "designate," but if a person is both equipped and placed, then either "equipped and placed" or "established" seem better translation choices because the gifting by the Holy Spirit is not left out of the text.
     
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    Post #5

    For purposes of reacquaintance the golden oldie has been provided.
     
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    Rather than repeating a fallacious argument, folks should consider honoring the goals of fidelity, accuracy and transparency to the original text. See post #1 for details.
     
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    And how many times now have you repeated your fallacious arguments? I have lost count.

    And in no way does that necessarily mean that you, with all of your inexperience, have managed to achieve these lofty goals with your "word studies" Van. Actual Bible scholars/translators have put in the time and effort to do far more than you think you are accomplishing.
     
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    Liberals believe two wrongs make a right, and justifying an action because someone else supposedly did it. Totally Not What Jesus Would Do.
     
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    You are not making any sense Van. Try rewording to make yourself understood.
     
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    Try not making arguments from logical fallacies, like personal incredulity.
     
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