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I am Arminian -- not God.

 

Even if he was not able to exercise faith, wouldn't God still have made provisions for him though?

 

It could be that God simply hates the boy per Calvinism theology. Why must God make any provisions apart from faith in Jesus Christ?

 

God is love, correct?

 

It's your theology, what do you say? Did God so love the world, or only the Elect?

 

It would appear he had a spirit but did not have a soul. For the human to have life, the Spirit of man must be present. I think a grave error often made is bi-compartmentalizing man instead of tri-compartmentalizing man. Paul plainy tri-compartmentalized man.

 

Yes. God does so love the world that he sent jesus to be the messiah, and His love is especially extended towards those who are his very elect!

 

Ah, the extrabiblical special dispensation of salvation. Using this reasoning maybe God does the same to all of those who spend 72 months in hell riding a unicorn, I mean, if we can just make up how God saves someone apart from what the Bible says maybe universalism is true.

 

Sarcasm aside, so in your understanding of this particular theological debate, God formed a person completely incapable of even understanding the preached word, and then condemned that person that He had formed to Hell, because he couldn't understand preaching? That seems a really dark spiritual place.

I don't advocate true universalism, but neither can I advocate a God who would condemn those who completely lack the ability to understand the necessity of salvation.

 

Not even close to what I believe. I believe spiritually dead people are saved in the manner outlined in Scripture...by grace through faith. I don't believe infants are spiritually dead as they committed no sin that lead to spiritual death. Sin is the willing violation of God's law. People die spiritually in like manner Adam did, by sinning. The problem is in the one holding to Augustinianism, not my view.

"Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death."

You see, to the Augustinian there are only 3 options. All children perish, or all are saved apart from the biblical way, or God saves a nebulous "elect" infant apart from how salvation is outlined while allowing an unelect infant to perish.

 

At what age can a child sin?

Psalm 51:5New International Version (NIV)

5 Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.


King David seems to say you are a sinner at birth. Actually, he went on to say sinful from time of conception.

 

Poetic literature should never form doctrine. Do you hold to atonement via hyssop? (V.7). Do you also enjoy the sounds of crushed bones rejoicing? (V.8)

A child sins when he knowingly violates the law, and that brings forth death. We were dead in OUR sins and transgressions in which WE walked. Not poetic language.

 

David is quite literal. Purge me with hyssop is a direct reference to the blood sacrifice given in Egypt the night prior to the Exodus. David quite literally was saying "purify me with blood."

David is also quite literally thankful for the crushing discipline he has gone through that has caused him to grow and mature in the ways of God.

Romans 5:12-14 is quite plain that All are sinners due to Adam, but sin has not been imputed to all. You are saying a child is not a sinner. That is simply not reconcilable to scripture. According to scripture, all are sinners but that sin is not instantly imputed at birth.

 

Reynolds

According to scripture, all are sinners but that sin is not instantly imputed at birth.[/QUOTE]

romans 3:23 teaches that all sinned in Adam. they all sinned at one point in
time. that was the fall....all sinned...babies are conceived in sin.

 

romans 3:23 teaches that all sinned in Adam. they all sinned at one point in
time. that was the fall....all sinned...babies are conceived in sin.[/QUOTE]

Ok, you and I agree. That is what I said.

 

Reynolds, welcome. You are on target --here and there.

 

Thanks, I am enjoying being here.

 

Wait a minute. You'll have to explain that one. Why did you say sin has not been imputed to all?

Agreed.

We're back to your earlier statement. Why do you say that sin is not imputed at birth?

 

Brother Rippon,


I know I am not Reynolds, but I want to post a post I placed in another thread, that goes "lock-step" with the theme of this thread...

I may be wrong, please accept my apology Reynolds if I am, but I think Reynolds' beliefs are close to this...