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Sure there would be. I don't get the impression that Salty is the one who placed him in the leadership position. He doesn't even seem to know whether or not the pastor is already aware of this and has given his blessing or not.

There a re nosy people in every church. We call them busy bodies. If they want to know where he is, ask him and stop gossiping about him.

And they DON'T know that he isn't in SS because he is. They know he isn't in SS at their church.

How is he affecting anyone else? He's going to SS. They are going to SS. IS he not meeting the requirements of his leadership position?

And why shouldn't SS be about his needs? You go to a church because it meets a need and God told you to be there.

And we simply don't know why he's going to the other SS. He could as I mentioned earlier have a relationship over there with someone he's discipling or any number of other things.

Some of yall are just nosy and like to gossip. You don't know why he's at the other church for SS. The CHURCH is about Jesus and everybody else can just stay out the way.

And we have no idea what Jesus has told him to do.

 

Salty, you apparently are offended by this individual. Have you talked to him about it before brining it into a public forum?

 

Here's what happened for those who missed it in the other thread:

 

Again, this is silly until you ask him why he's attending the other SS. Ask him.

 

Yea, I can't see something going terribly wrong there.

 

I'll stand by what I said earlier, Salty. If you feel the need to do something about this then you need to follow the gospel order. Try to sort things out yourself. If that fails, get two or three witnesses to go with you. If that does not reach this person, then you bring the matter before the church.

If it were me, going solely off what you've told us here, I believe I would've already spoken to this person. The potential for differing doctrines entering into whatever duties this person has as a "leader" would be enough to worry me about his/her effectiveness with the congregation as a whole.

I'm not sure an ultimatum, like "either support our church or give up the leadership position" is necessarily the correct way to go about this. Confrontation can be avoided if you handle this case with brotherly love.

 

I would agree with PreachTony. Why, if you are unwilling to speak personally with the individual, you would air it in a public forum?

 

And I'll ask again. WHY? He's not paid staff and you don't know why he's attending the other SS. You haven't said that y'all made it a requirement that people in leadership be enrolled and attending a SS class at the church. Ask him why he's attending the other church's SS and let him know what y'alls expectations are for folks in leadership positions at the church.

Again, this is silly. He's attending another church's SS. You won't ask him why. And you won't tell him the reasons why he shouldn't beat the other church.

How is he not supporting the church? Is he not fulfilling the duties of the leadership position as explained to him before giving him the position? Is he not attending the regular service? Is he not tithing?

You're not in any position to make such a call because you haven't asked him why he's attending the other church's SS. Out of the 20 members, only 4 or 5 were showing up. You and your spouse and the pastor and his spouse would just about cover the attendance. Is he the only one in a leadership position not attending?

Again, you don't know what he's doing over there because no one has asked him.

Pentecostals are Christians too. Them being a different denomination is irrelevant unless you know what he's doing over there.

Maybe his immobile mother is a member at the other church and he gives her a ride every Sunday morning and sits with her through SS because he doesn't get to see her any other time.

You simply don't know because you haven't asked.

 

I wouldn't go that far, Zaac. There are some pretty big doctrinal differences between the denominations. As a hypothetical, what if this "leader" went to a church that taught "believer's baptism" of only full immersion of professing believers, but he went to Sunday School (Bible Study) at a church that taught pedobaptism and sprinkling? Or, what if he went to Sunday School at a church that taught that baptism imparted saving grace?

Do you not then see how his ability to lead in his "home church" might be compromised?

 

I understand the doctrinal differences. It's the same thing I said about the Duck Dynasty cast and their church of which they are members.

He , however, is not a member at the church. He's going to SS over there for a reason Salty doesn't seem to know.

Again, if he's not teaching or agreeing with contrary doctrine, it shouldn't be an issue. And plus, we STILL don't know why he's over there so this whole conversation is kinda moot.

Nope. Not unless the person, who knows he's over there but hasn't approached him as to the why and the why he thinks it's a bad idea, is gossiping about him to those at his home church.

 

Now just how are you gonna tell me that I don't understand the doctrinal differences between Pentecostals and Southern Baptists? :laugh:

There are several things that you THINK are incorrect.

Sure it does. You don't get to dictate that a person attend something in order to be in a position of leadership after not initially sharing that caveat with him. Now you won't have a conversation with him to explain that's what y'all expect out of leadership. And you don't know why he's over there.

This is a ridiculously foolish conversation to be having with anyone if you're not going to talk to him directly to see why he's attending another church for SS.

He is on the team. he's attending the church service and doing what y'all asked him to do in his position of leadership. From what you have said, no one told him that it was required that he attend SS at the church in order to be in the unpaid position of leadership.

You should not have even started the discussion if you're not going to talk to him to find out what needs to be known.

What you just took us through was a bunch of gossip.

 

Why is it a problem to go to SS in another church?

 

That's been the heart of our discussion, Saggy. Salty's example was of a church "leader" attending Sunday School at a different church. Some of us have advocated that nothing needs to be done concerning this "leader." Others have advocated that the gospel order be applied and this person be spoken to first one on one, and if that were to fail, then in a group with at least two witnesses. If that still fails, then the matter should come before the church.

The issue falls to this: how different are the doctrines of the churches in question? It's why I made the point to Zaac that if this "leader" attended an Arminian church, but was going to Sunday School (which is often a Bible study for older believers) at a Calvinist church, then it could have an adverse effect on his leadership ability.

If the two churches have similar or same doctrine, then I don't see too much of an issue. I would find it odd that a "leader" in the church could not support the church's Sunday School, but unless it causes a negative change in his leadership ability, I'm not sure I could question it. If it's obvious that the churches hold to differing doctrines, then the issue needs closer examination.

Does that make sense?

 

Can I ask a serious question? Where in God's word is there any mention of a Calvinist or Armenian church? And this is not particularly for you Tony.

I'm just wondering why people don't just speak to thus sayeth the Lord instead of grouping things into these Calvin/Arminian sects that seem to lead to nothing but arguments.