The Apostle Peter on the Second Coming of Our LORD

[blessedwife318]

Then we see this:
8. "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

Here we see God's plan revealed to Peter and by Peter to us. God gave mankind 7000 years to be upon this earth. Nearly 6000 has taken place since the creation. Everything has remained the same since the fall with a few minor changes. Man was given one week of 1000 years per day.
The final week we see in Revelation 20 as the 1000 year Kingdom of Christ.
Before that though as Peter stated "the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men" not a 1000 year day but the 7 year tribulation that Christ spoke of and said:

And this is how people get into trouble and start predicting dates. You have to read a lot into the passage to get that man only has 6000 years + the Millennium on this planet. Especially since even Young Earth Creationist put the earth between 6-10 thousands years old.


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[DHK]

So you say seven years warrants the following Scripture:

2 Peter 3:3, 4
3. Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

No, I never said that. The scoffers of Peter's time did. It is called "uniformitarianism," something that evolutionists believe in to this day. You might say that these "scoffers" were some of the first evolutionists.

All things have continued as they were since the fathers fell asleep.
We know differently. All things don't continue the same. For example there are catastrophes that interfere such as The Flood. That upsets the evolutionists' geological timetable. Earthquakes do the same thing. All things do not continue the same.

In history God has intervened many times. Scoffers don't see this, and don't want to see this. All things do not continue the same.

Thus to this day there are still scoffers walking in their own lusts saying "Where is the promise of his coming?" As it was in Peter's day, so it is in our day.

Peter mentions the Flood:
2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
--There was a time when all things did not continue the same.
There was a time when God did intervene in history.
They should be warned by the evidence of the Flood.
The Flood destroyed the world and God can destroy this world again, and, in fact He will.

Peter continues:
2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
--He destroyed the world once he can do it again.
This is simply a parallel thought given in this passage to scoffers at that time.

In no way is he giving a timeline of all the events from the rapture, Judgment Seat of Christ, tribulation, Second Advent, Battle of Armeggedon, Salvation of the Jews, Millennial Kingdom, Resurrection of the Unrighteous, Great White Throne Judgment, etc.

That is not his purpose--to give a detailed account of a timeline in eschatology. He is simply comparing two different destructions for these scoffers. If God can destroy the world once, he can destroy it again. And he will.

 

[revmwc]

And this is how people get into trouble and start predicting dates. You have to read a lot into the passage to get that man only has 6000 years + the Millennium on this planet. Especially since even Young Earth Creationist put the earth between 6-10 thousands years old.


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Not the creationist I've read.And definite not the one who taught the Biblical Astronomy class.

Too much evidence to show a young earth. Such as the rate of sedimentation and an old earth would have filled the oceans from now.

The Earth is a young Earth as too are the Sun, Moon and Stars.

 

[blessedwife318]

Not the creationist I've read.And definite not the one who taught the Biblical Astronomy class.

Too much evidence to show a young earth. Such as the rate of sedimentation and an old earth would have filled the oceans from now.

The Earth is a young Earth as too are the Sun, Moon and Stars.

I am a young earth creationist. 6000 to 10000 is the range every young earth creationist gives to the age of the earth. You are the one trying to set a date by reading into scripture

 

[revmwc]

I am a young earth creationist. 6000 to 10000 is the range every young earth creationist gives to the age of the earth. You are the one trying to set a date by reading into scripture

No Peter said it and History shows it Genesis 1:1 dates it. Plus following biblical years from the age of Adam forward. Not but a few years off but not 4000 years off. Plus depending on what calender is used.

 

[blessedwife318]

No Peter said it and History shows it Genesis 1:1 dates it. Plus following biblical years from the age of Adam forward. Not but a few years off but not 4000 years off. Plus depending on what calender is used.

Then you have just made liers out of the apostles and early church father's that you quoted elsewhere that the coming of Christ was imminent, if it actually was 2000 years in the future to fit your date setting.

 

[OldRegular]

So you say seven years warrants the following Scripture:

2 Peter 3:3, 4
3. Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

No, I never said that. The scoffers of Peter's time did.

So Peter was not writing to Christians of all times, just the ones in the 1st century? Strange!

It is called "uniformitarianism," something that evolutionists believe in to this day. You might say that these "scoffers" were some of the first evolutionists.

So you are saying that evolutionists are so stupid they did not realize millions had disappeared, planes fell out of the sky, cars were without drivers, trains without engineers, utter chaos within the seven year period and evolutionists were too stupid to recognize it! Strange! Even more strange that the evolutionist would say: Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

All things have continued as they were since the fathers fell asleep.
We know differently. All things don't continue the same. For example there are catastrophes that interfere such as The Flood. That upsets the evolutionists' geological timetable. Earthquakes do the same thing. All things do not continue the same.

But those stupid evolutionists can't even remember events that happened within a seven year period. Strange!

In history God has intervened many times. Scoffers don't see this, and don't want to see this. All things do not continue the same.

Thus to this day there are still scoffers walking in their own lusts saying "Where is the promise of his coming?" As it was in Peter's day, so it is in our day.

We don't have many of those Scoffers around here. Most are Rapture Ready!

Peter mentions the Flood:
2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
--There was a time when all things did not continue the same.

I read that!

There was a time when God did intervene in history.
They should be warned by the evidence of the Flood.
The Flood destroyed the world and God can destroy this world again, and, in fact He will.

God intervened in history more than once! The flood did not destroy the world at all. It only killed all animal life except that on the ARC!

Peter continues:
2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
--He destroyed the world once he can do it again.
This is simply a parallel thought given in this passage to scoffers at that time.

There will be a New Heavens and New Earth.

In no way is he giving a timeline of all the events from the rapture, Judgment Seat of Christ, tribulation, Second Advent, Battle of Armeggedon, Salvation of the Jews, Millennial Kingdom, Resurrection of the Unrighteous, Great White Throne Judgment, etc.

No he doesn't mention the fictitious rapture since none of the scoffers had sense enough to realize what GOD had done some time on the previous 0-7 years! But he does say there will be a New Heavens and New Earth; just as Revelation 20 tells us. There is no time lag between the destruction of the old and the creation of the New. Remarkable what GOD can do. He speaks and it is done!

That is not his purpose--to give a detailed account of a timeline in eschatology. He is simply comparing two different destructions for these scoffers. If God can destroy the world once, he can destroy it again. And he will.

Actually GOD has not destroyed the world once. He destroyed all animal life except that on the Arc! Got to get that correct DHK!

 

[OldRegular]

I am a young earth creationist. 6000 to 10000 is the range every young earth creationist gives to the age of the earth. You are the one trying to set a date by reading into scripture

That is about the time span I believe.

 

[percho]

2 Peter 3:1-14
1. This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2. That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3. Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6. Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7. But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12. Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Now obviously Peter is talking about the Second Coming since he states: Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. The new heavens and new earth follows the Second Coming!

Obviously Peter is NOT talking about the pre-trib-"snatching away" of the Church since that is supposedly done in secret.

If the so-called-pre-trib-"snatching away" of the Church had happened in the previous 7 years or less Peter could not have made the following statement: Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Does his coming issue in, "the day of the Lord"? The Lord.s day. Is that day, a twenty four hour day?

I was in the spirit on the Lord's day. 1 V 10 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 1 V 19

Can the totality of the Revelation be understood from the concept of, the things which are, as being the day of the Lord which is a thousand year day and that which thou has seen, being prior to, the second coming, the day of the Lord and the things which shall be hearafter meaning after the day of the Lord, say chapters 21 and 22?

 

[DHK]

So Peter was not writing to Christians of all times, just the ones in the 1st century? Strange!

Most assume that Peter is writing to the same people as he was in his first epistle, which says:
1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
Elect, according to the foreknowledge of God...
--Yes, he is writing to the dispersed Jewish Christians of his time. Peter fully expected the Lord to come (rapture) in his lifetime. Why wouldn't he? All the apostles did.

So you are saying that evolutionists are so stupid they did not realize millions had disappeared, planes fell out of the sky, cars were without drivers, trains without engineers, utter chaos within the seven year period and evolutionists were too stupid to recognize it! Strange! Even more strange that the evolutionist would say:
Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

I have no idea what you are talking about? You might ask yourself that question. Did they exist in Peter's time?
The scoffers speaking here are obviously speaking pre-rapture: "Where is the promise of his coming?" (rapture), especially since he had already mentioned the "Day of the Lord" which starts immediately after the rapture with the tribulation.

But those stupid evolutionists can't even remember events that happened within a seven year period. Strange!

What are you talking about?
How do you remember an event that hasn't happened yet. The Tribulation is a future event. That is the only seven year period the Bible speaks of.

We don't have many of those Scoffers around here. Most are Rapture Ready!

Yes, there are many that scoff at the imminent return of our Lord Jesus Christ. I believe it is one of the fundamentals of our faith. That is how I interpret this passage. Scoffers mock at this important doctrine of the Coming of our Lord.

God intervened in history more than once! The flood did not destroy the world at all. It only killed all animal life except that on the ARC!

You are wrong. You are denying what Peter said. Read again:

(ISV) by which the world at that time was deluged with water and destroyed.
--The world at that time was destroyed.
Peter was making a comparison between two destructions. One that was, and one that is yet to come--which indeed will be much greater. False teachers need to be warned, and that is what Peter was doing.

No he doesn't mention the fictitious rapture since none of the scoffers had sense enough to realize what GOD had done some time on the previous 0-7 years! But he does say there will be a New Heavens and New Earth; just as Revelation 20 tells us. There is no time lag between the destruction of the old and the creation of the New. Remarkable what GOD can do. He speaks and it is done!

He doesn't mention the rapture, tribulation, Millennium, Great White Throne Judgement or anything else in God's prophetic timeline because that wasn't his purpose. Surely you are not inferring that you wanted to dictate what God should have written or not written--as if to tell us that if there was a pre-trib rapture then God would have written it in this passage right here. That is quite an arrogant presumption!

Actually GOD has not destroyed the world once. He destroyed all animal life except that on the Arc! Got to get that correct DHK!

Read it again.
(ISV) by which the world at that time was deluged with water and destroyed.

 

[OldRegular]

Most assume that Peter is writing to the same people as he was in his first epistle, which says:
1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
Elect, according to the foreknowledge of God...
--Yes, he is writing to the dispersed Jewish Christians of his time. Peter fully expected the Lord to come (rapture) in his lifetime. Why wouldn't he? All the apostles did.

I have no idea what you are talking about? You might ask yourself that question. Did they exist in Peter's time?
The scoffers speaking here are obviously speaking pre-rapture: "Where is the promise of his coming?" (rapture), especially since he had already mentioned the "Day of the Lord" which starts immediately after the rapture with the tribulation.

What are you talking about?
How do you remember an event that hasn't happened yet. The Tribulation is a future event. That is the only seven year period the Bible speaks of.

Yes, there are many that scoff at the imminent return of our Lord Jesus Christ. I believe it is one of the fundamentals of our faith. That is how I interpret this passage. Scoffers mock at this important doctrine of the Coming of our Lord.

You are wrong. You are denying what Peter said. Read again:

(ISV) by which the world at that time was deluged with water and destroyed.
--The world at that time was destroyed.
Peter was making a comparison between two destructions. One that was, and one that is yet to come--which indeed will be much greater. False teachers need to be warned, and that is what Peter was doing.

He doesn't mention the rapture, tribulation, Millennium, Great White Throne Judgement or anything else in God's prophetic timeline because that wasn't his purpose. Surely you are not inferring that you wanted to dictate what God should have written or not written--as if to tell us that if there was a pre-trib rapture then God would have written it in this passage right here. That is quite an arrogant presumption!

Read it again.
(ISV) by which the world at that time was deluged with water and destroyed.

Depends on your definition of "world"!

noun
1. the earth or globe, considered as a planet.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/world

 

[revmwc]

And this is how people get into trouble and start predicting dates. You have to read a lot into the passage to get that man only has 6000 years + the Millennium on this planet. Especially since even Young Earth Creationist put the earth between 6-10 thousands years old.


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Because of what Paul said
2 Timothy 4:8 "Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."

Watching for his return that "love His appearing" will bring crown of Righteousness.

 

[revmwc]

Then you have just made liers out of the apostles and early church father's that you quoted elsewhere that the coming of Christ was imminent, if it actually was 2000 years in the future to fit your date setting.

2 Timothy 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Always watch for His appearing.

 

[DHK]

Depends on your definition of "world"!

noun
1. the earth or globe, considered as a planet.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/world

Everything was destroyed as Peter says. Why contradict his words?
The water covered the highest peaks of the mountains. It was world-wide in nature. It was not a local flood. It destroyed the world--everything. How can you deny that--both the Genesis account and Peter's word?

 

[revmwc]

Everything was destroyed as Peter says. Why contradict his words?
The water covered the highest peaks of the mountains. It was world-wide in nature. It was not a local flood. It destroyed the world--everything. How can you deny that--both the Genesis account and Peter's word?

That and the fact that God placed a Rainbow as Covenant for mankind that He would no longer send a flood upon the Earth again.

If it was local there are still many local large floods, so if it were a local flood again that would make God a liar.

 

[blessedwife318]

2 Timothy 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Always watch for His appearing.

You either believe you can set a date for His return or that He can come at anytime. The fact that you have double down on trying to set dates shows you don't actually believe what the apostles and early church fathers taught. Quoting this verse doesn't change that you were trying to set dates, and said that He could not come for 2000 years later.

8. "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

Here we see God's plan revealed to Peter and by Peter to us. God gave mankind 7000 years to be upon this earth. Nearly 6000 has taken place since the creation. Everything has remained the same since the fall with a few minor changes. Man was given one week of 1000 years per day.

 

[revmwc]

You either believe you can set a date for His return or that He can come at anytime. The fact that you have double down on trying to set dates shows you don't actually believe what the apostles and early church fathers taught. Quoting this verse doesn't change that you were trying to set dates, and said that He could not come for 2000 years later.

Some commentaries I have read state Peter was showing that if it took 2000 years for Him to return it would still be but Yesterday that Christ died. I was taught the 7000 years of time for man.

We need only be looking for His return. But I still believe that the Bible bears out a close to 6000 year old earth and we will soon see the Snatching away. Leaving 1007 years of time left for man.

According to the Jewish calender we are in the year 5775, that would leave 225 years to reach 6000 and the Lord could come in 232 years, but the signs we are to look for are upon us, so as those of the early church I look for and love His appearing believing His return is imminent.

What year are we in? No one really knows, those early church fathers knew even less than we do.

 

[blessedwife318]

Some commentaries I have read state Peter was showing that if it took 2000 years for Him to return it would still be but Yesterday that Christ died. I was taught the 7000 years of time for man.

We need only be looking for His return. But I still believe that the Bible bears out a close to 6000 year old earth and we will soon see the Snatching away. Leaving 1007 years of time left for man.

According to the Jewish calender we are in the year 5775, that would leave 225 years to reach 6000 and the Lord could come in 232 years, but the signs we are to look for are upon us, so as those of the early church I look for and love His appearing believing His return is imminent.

What year are we in? No one really knows, those early church fathers knew even less than we do.

Tripplieng down on date setting now. The Bible is clear that No One knows when Christ will return/rapture his church (depending on your viewpoint) but here you are in direct violation setting dates and making liars out of everyone you have tried to quote to back up your view.

 

[revmwc]

Tripplieng down on date setting now. The Bible is clear that No One knows when Christ will return/rapture his church (depending on your viewpoint) but here you are in direct violation setting dates and making liars out of everyone you have tried to quote to back up your view.

So what date did I set?

 

[revmwc]

So what date did I set?

Imminent = ready to take place

In God's time 1000 years is very soon in <man's time table it any day now. No one knows the day nor the hour of His return. We definitely don't know the exact date or year. We can know from Man's history and the Jewish calender we a very close to man having been on earth 6000 years therefore the age of the Earth is within that time period but not older than 6000.