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Discussion in 'History Forum' started by Salty, May 5, 2015.

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  1. Salty

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    Results of the 1860 election

    Candidate..............votes...........States.....EC
    Lincoln .........(R)....1,865,908......18.......180
    Breckinridge (SD)..... 848,019......11.........72
    Bell ...........(CU)...... 590,901........3.........39
    Douglas .......(D)....1,380,202........1.........12

    Now if the Democrats had been united -and won the election; would there have been war in 1861?
     
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  2. Salty

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    Thought I would bump this and see if anyone wants to consider an answer

    This chart give some good insight.

    15 States/commonwealths gave Lincoln the EC with more than 50% of the Vote
    Nearly 100 EC votes Lincoln won was with less than 53% of the popular vote.

    Three won by Lincoln were less than a majority of the votes.
     
    #2 Salty, Jul 19, 2015
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    ...three states with just a handful of electoral votes each. Even without those, the Republican still won a majority of the electors.


    Not true.
     
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  4. Salty

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    The point being is that if the Dems had one unified Democrat - it could have altered the election.

    Not saying it would have happened - but there might have been a possibility.


    then how much off was I?
     
    #4 Salty, Jul 19, 2015
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    Nah, just wishful thinking on your part.
     
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  6. Salty

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    Not wishful thinking - just a matter of how the splinted Democrat party may have changed history.
     
    #6 Salty, Jul 19, 2015
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    The kettle had been brewing for at least the 20 years prior to the 1860 election. A reckoning was inevitable. And more importantly, it is the Lord who builds up the kings and kingdoms of this world, and tears them down. The purpose was to prune us as a nation that is in covenant with God. We got pruned, but the general mindset in the North and South repented from slavery, but not racism. Many Union soldiers wished blacks free, but did not want to live with or around them. Hatred prevailed. Further proof is found even as late as WW2, where blacks would not fight, yet it is proven they are the greatest athletically, potential fighting machines wasted. The birth of suburbs is a partial proof also. It goes on and on, so now we are paying for it.
     
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    I don't see how. The Dem. candidates were split amongst pro-secessionists (Breckenridge) and non-secessionist unionists (Douglas).
     
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  9. Salty

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    Thus that is what happens when there is no unity - and the results of third parties.

    Look at 1992 - Did Perot elect Clinton over Bush?
     
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    We should have 4 or 5 parties or more in this country and not allow one or two parties control the electoral process.
     
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    Since secession was such a defining, divisive issue if there had been a lone Democrat candidate Lincoln still would have won. Secessionists would not have voted for Douglas, and Unionist Democrats would not have voted for Breckenridge.
     
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    Possibly - however in this day and age very few R's would ever vote for a D, and very few D's would ever vote for a R.
    Often it is those in the middle of the political spectrum who decide on the POTUS
     
    #12 Salty, Jul 19, 2015
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    My wife's family will always vote democrat. They are for small government, even smaller federal government, pro state government, they are all hunters, they all support the NRA and are opposed to any type of gun control, they are opposed to abortion, they are opposed to SSM, they are opposed to illegal immigration (heck....now days they are opposed to legal immigration as well). But they always vote democrat because they are Democrats.. I'll be honest. I cannot understand how a Christian can be a Democrat. It does not make sense (and I can only chalk it up to stupidity....like my family). But I have to admit, I sometimes wonder how one can be a Republican as well.
     
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    I'm guessing your wife's kin are rural in background. I'd also guess quite a few went through the Great Depression. If they fit that demographic, I'd hazard they are FDR Democrats. The New Deal kept many families from starvation and gave many others hope for the future. To them the Republicans will always be the party of Herbert Hoover and Henry Ford.
     
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    Not to be nit-picky, but Breckenridge was not pro-secession at that point. Although he became a Confederate officer when it came down to war.
    LINK
     
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    Yep. I think they are just starting to see things differently,.


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    #16 JonC, Jul 19, 2015
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    You are correct. I really should look some of this stuff up instead of relying on my memory. Thanks for posting that.
     
    #17 InTheLight, Jul 19, 2015
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    don't worry, you are not the only one....
     
    #18 Salty, Jul 20, 2015
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    You are welcome ITL.
     
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    Yes!!!!!!!!!!
     
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