Tullian Tchividjian Back in Active Ministry

[Darrell C]

This is exactly the way I feel. I feel it is DEFINITELY premature to place him back in ministry and without question, he and his family need prayer as do the church leaders around him. It is a really sad situation and one that we need to think through for the time it may enter our own churches. Adultery is so damaging and it's especially hard to counsel through. It breaks my heart that believers can fall for this sin and break apart families. We need to commit to pray for ALL of our marriages and those in our church. We need to realize the sanctity of marriage not just with regards to genders marrying but the safekeeping of our hearts.

Now that is more like it.


God bless.

 

[blessedwife318]

One more one verse wonder:


Galatians 6:10

King James Version (KJV)

10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.


Although I don't think the "good" in view here would be excusing adultery.


God bless.

Ok so you'll stop trying to excuse his "actions" as you called his adultery? Thats good to know.

Although here is a thought about this verse. Discipline is good. The Bible makes it clear that God Disciplines those He loves. Running away from Discipline is bad then. Hard for his church to do him good when he ran away from them.

 

[annsni]

Now let's look at the list you have produced prior to this one:





God bless.

And? He slept with a woman that was not his wife. His wife slept with a man who was not her husband. Sin abounded. Period.

 

[Revmitchell]

This is exactly the way I feel. I feel it is DEFINITELY premature to place him back in ministry and without question, he and his family need prayer as do the church leaders around him. It is a really sad situation and one that we need to think through for the time it may enter our own churches. Adultery is so damaging and it's especially hard to counsel through. It breaks my heart that believers can fall for this sin and break apart families. We need to commit to pray for ALL of our marriages and those in our church. We need to realize the sanctity of marriage not just with regards to genders marrying but the safekeeping of our hearts.

Here's the thing, even though we might not take him on in our church they have. The best we can do by him and that church is to support them in working with him to move forward. We should pray and hope their work with him is successful and his family can be restored.

 

[Darrell C]

Okay, maybe one more verse:


1 Corinthians 14:34

King James Version (KJV)

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.


Wonder how our gals are doing on that one.




God bless.

 

[agedman]

I'm sorry Ann it is no where near enough. It's enough to say it may be premature to place him back in ministry and he and his families need our prayer. Everything else is speculation and borders on gossip.


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You are stating that the posters are using unsupported facts.

Yet when Ann presents the facts, you say that they are "no where near enough."

What do you consider is unsupported?

Fact: He was a blasphemer and hedonist as a young adult? He states that openly.

Fact: He had trouble in leading the church that lead to certain members openly resisting him? He states that openly.

Fact: His wife abandoned the marriage bed for that of another? He states that openly.

Fact: This caused him to seek comfort in the arms of another? He states that openly.

Fact: He continued the secrete liaison until it become known to members of the assembly? He states that openly.

Fact: The Presbytery hierarchy was told of the situation, fully informed, and their council was sought. They removed his credentials and ask him to submit to the local assembly (where he was discovered) so that he could grow and be restored. He states that openly.

Fact: Rather than following the advice, he accepted the "director of ministry" at church. He states that openly.

So, what more information do you desire that this thread has not been dealing with that you claim is "bordering on gossip?"

 

[Revmitchell]

You are stating that the posters are using unsupported facts.

ummm I never said that. Not sure how you came to that conclusion unless maybe you have a errant view of gossip. Gossip can be false or true. The validity of the statement does not make it gossip.

 

[Darrell C]

And? He slept with a woman that was not his wife. His wife slept with a man who was not her husband. Sin abounded. Period.

You can put a period there, however, you are forgetting a critical semi-colon.

You do not think there is a problem with, when asked about her adultery, you deflect by questioning his leadership as a husband, thereby excusing her sin.

You do not think it is wrong for statements like "It doesn't matter that his wife cheated first" and, what was the other one..."So, his wife cheated..."?

You even reverse the order:

He slept with a woman that was not his wife. His wife slept with a man who was not her husband.

Anyone reading your account would also be erroneously biased in all probability because the facts are in disorder. Because to most people her adultery is not just a side item, but a major part of the recipe for disastrous results and consequences.

All I am saying is that all of this has to be taken into account and held within a framework of a Biblically sound Christian view, because if that is not done we cannot expect the response to be Biblical nor Christian.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

You are stating that the posters are using unsupported facts.

Yet when Ann presents the facts, you say that they are "no where near enough."

What do you consider is unsupported?

Fact: He was a blasphemer and hedonist as a young adult? He states that openly.

Fact: He had trouble in leading the church that lead to certain members openly resisting him? He states that openly.

Fact: His wife abandoned the marriage bed for that of another? He states that openly.

Fact: This caused him to seek comfort in the arms of another? He states that openly.

Fact: He continued the secrete liaison until it become known to members of the assembly? He states that openly.

Fact: The Presbytery hierarchy was told of the situation, fully informed, and their council was sought. They removed his credentials and ask him to submit to the local assembly (where he was discovered) so that he could grow and be restored. He states that openly.

Fact: Rather than following the advice, he accepted the "director of ministry" at church. He states that openly.

So, what more information do you desire that this thread has not been dealing with that you claim is "bordering on gossip?"

They are unsupported...where is the link? Where are quotes from those directly involved?


God bless.

 

[agedman]

Here's the thing, even though we might not take him on in our church they have. The best we can do by him and that church is to support them in working with him to move forward. We should pray and hope their work with him is successful and his family can be restored.

I don't think anyone would disagree, except in one point.

He should never have left Coral Ridge without the permission of that assembly and those who were/are the hierarchy of that group in which he submitted himself as a member.

But THAT is not the issue this thread has been addressing in the last pages.

Rather, it is:

1) the qualification of him assuming an official post at a church.
2) the need for him to reorder his thinking to the Scriptures and Scriptural principles.
3) through the discussion, provide some guidance and helps for other readers who have or will experience the enemy's destructive ability.
4) remind readers that the known facts do not suddenly occur but are seeds planted much earlier in living that will grow into death of opportunity, position availability, or even passing from this living.

This thread can be very helpful and can be used to edify if the reader is wise and discerning.

 

[Darrell C]

He should never have left Coral Ridge without the permission of that assembly and those who were/are the hierarchy of that group in which he submitted himself as a member.

Simply show where Coral Ridge demanded that he not leave. That's all you have to do to settle this point.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

Ok so you'll stop trying to excuse his "actions" as you called his adultery? Thats good to know.

More false witness, but what is false witness if one doesn't view adultery as always wrong.

Hard for his church to do him good when he ran away from them.

If he received the "love" that has been expressed here, I am surprised the man even bothered to go back to any fellowship.


God bless.

 

[annsni]

Now show your justification for questioning his rule of the household.


God bless.

At least 2 affairs.....

 

[Darrell C]

At least 2 affairs.....

So where is this documented? I am assuming one of them was prior to hers?


God bless.

 

[annsni]

Here's the thing, even though we might not take him on in our church they have. The best we can do by him and that church is to support them in working with him to move forward. We should pray and hope their work with him is successful and his family can be restored.

Yet I believe that this man is in further disobedience - as is the other church - in leaving the counsel/guidance/leadership of his own church where he committed this sin and going to another church. What restoration do we see? None and we possibly never will.

 

[Revmitchell]

At least 2 affairs.....

We do not need to know if it one or ten thousand. Its none of our business.

 

[annsni]

You can put a period there, however, you are forgetting a critical semi-colon.

You do not think there is a problem with, when asked about her adultery, you deflect by questioning his leadership as a husband, thereby excusing her sin.

You do not think it is wrong for statements like "It doesn't matter that his wife cheated first" and, what was the other one..."So, his wife cheated..."?

You even reverse the order:



Anyone reading your account would also be erroneously biased in all probability because the facts are in disorder. Because to most people her adultery is not just a side item, but a major part of the recipe for disastrous results and consequences.

All I am saying is that all of this has to be taken into account and held within a framework of a Biblically sound Christian view, because if that is not done we cannot expect the response to be Biblical nor Christian.


God bless.

Show me where I excused her sin. What I said was her sin was not an excuse for him to sin. Don't misrepresent the truth.

 

[Darrell C]

We do not need to know if it one or ten thousand. Its none of our business.

It is relevant in dealing with the gossip, though. By the way...great answer on that one, lol.


God bless.

 

[annsni]

We do not need to know if it one or ten thousand. Its none of our business.

Hence why I said "at least". What we DO know is there were at least 2 in this marriage. That IS our business when we discuss what is the Biblical thing to do in response.

 

[Darrell C]

Show me where I excused her sin. What I said was her sin was not an excuse for him to sin. Don't misrepresent the truth.

You excused her sin by not directly condemning her actions as culpable and being sin and instead deflecting to his own failure as a leader.

That is how.

No misrepresentation of truth, just the public statement you have made.

And you still have not commented on your fellow members' statements.

Again, do you agree with their statements which clearly overlook her sin? Or will you call that an erroneous view of sin as I do.


God bless.