Agreeing with your opinion that those men are incorrect on some of their theology is not deeming your opinion persuasive. I simply agreed in part with a portion of your op as I am very familiar with their teachings.
If you weren't deeming it persuasive then use another word besides rhetoric next time and say what you really mean by employing proper word choice.
Everyone who teaches the Bible can be labeled a false teacher. None of us gets everything right. We all teach something that is in error at one time or another.
Perhaps, but that is not even remotely the point, this is bigger than that and has to do with proper salvation and what it entails, looks like, something you don't necessarily grasp very well as later on you excuse this error.
Those men are in error but are not false teachers in the sense that they teach or have taught a gospel contrary to scripture.
They've in fact taught and continue to teach a false gospel. They are preaching the unconverted as converted, a false interpretation and application that 'belief alone' saves. You'd know this if you knew Zane Hodges arguments, Ryries, others.
They all believe salvation is obtained by grace through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Their error is in how Christians live not in how they get saved.
We all have statements of belief. These statements are either affirmed or denied once said person teaches. They may say they believe concerning the gospel by a statement of faith, but they fall short on what that salvation accomplishes, showing a vast misunderstanding of the Gospel and soteriology. You do know that their gospel is a reaction against so-called 'Lordship Salvation', correct?
While it may not be your intent you have misrepresented those men.
I've not misrepresented these men nor Free Grace Theology so put an end to your false accusations. By the way, below you will say I did represent them correctly. It is whatever you need to say at whatever point, even contradicting yourself, contradicting others in order for you to appear 'right'. Others have nailed you for this on other threads/topics. Wake up to yourself.
The small portion of what you posted is in fact correct but your failure to post their doctrine in full is misleading.I would also add that there is a stark difference in exposing false teaching and saying someone is mocking God.
Let me see here, what I said was true/correct (and it is) yet above you said I misrepresented them, now you say the contrary.
Hmmm. Interesting. Back and forth, back and forth.
There is no need to post their 'doctrine in full' and such is an asinine standard especially in light of the fact I've represented them truthfully, and, that this is a forum, where nothing is exhaustive. The small portion I've given gives enough of the story for people to get it.
Your use of Galatians 6:7 is out of context and cannot be applied to these men.
It is rightly applied to their teachings to others and is not out of context. Their teaching is that even living a lifestyle of sin, those who do can fully expect to reap everlasting life, so they've applied it to themselves. Their message is deceptive and false, an extension of their false gospel, which in their teaching means 'good news, believe, live any way you want, go to heaven'.
That is their gospel message.
The word mocked means to deliberately turn your nose up to something or someone in scorn.
Yep, which is what they teach in their soteriological system. You'd know this if you knew a fourth of what you claim to know about this system. Do you teach the same system yourself? Why or why not?
Just because those men are in error on this doctrine does not automatically mean they are doing that.
That is simply absurd, senseless, and laughable. You're all over the place and it is difficult to respect you when you're being disingenuous and deceitful.
First they teach it, then they don't, then they do, they are truthfully represented, then they aren't, then it doesn't mean they automatically mean they are doing that.
Do you realize how absolutely ridiculous you sound here?
Let me put it to you like this, in plain speech - they automatically and purposely teach their errors, they may be deceived into believing it, but they aren't teaching it by accident.
They all love the Lord and are genuinely seeking Him.
So you know their hearts and motives, kind of like God does, right? Get over yourself, you do not know this.
They may be deceived or just wrong but that does not mean they are mocking God. One does not automatically lead to the other.
Where did I say they (the false teachers) themselves are mocking God? Quote where I made that statement.
My point is that those teaching others that they will reap eternal life while sowing to the flesh is self-deception, in that, they will reap what they've sown, and God will not be mocked, i.e. 'be not deceived'. Persons who teach this are in fact teaching a false Gospel, as Christ Himself in His Gospel never once mentioned nor encouraged that the result of the Gospel message is assurance for those who live in iniquity - note Matthew 7:21 and following.
It may help you to go to your pastor and have him show you how to study scripture. That way you will not make such basic errors in hermeneutics.
There is your typical snide remark (typically it is name calling elsewhere) a habitual walk for you as witnessed on this forum by many and by One.
By the way, I am my 'pastor'.
