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  1. TCassidy

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    DNA is DNA. It is the conclusions drawn that are questionable.
     
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    No. They are the result of genetic drift within the Human genome. There is no "mixture." Human DNA is human DNA. Period.
     
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    Neanderthals were human. The OT is replete with humans.
     
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    Are you making the claim that there is no medical necessity to examine the DNA structures in humans? That some viral infections do not in any manner effect the DNA?
     
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    Is that what I said? If so could you please quote it back to me? I don't recall saying any such thing.
     
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    My apologies, I was trying to extrapolate - poorly, I know.

    I am attempting to figure out how human DNA remains human DNA, and not impacted by outside forces or breading.

    Not being much of a scientist, I was reading this account from the Smithsonian Natural History Museum:
    "The complete mtDNA sequence shows that Neanderthals were outside the range of modern human mtDNA variation."​

    And later this statement:
    "On average, Neanderthal mtDNA genomes differ from each other by 20.4 bases and are only 1/3 as diverse as modern humans (Briggs et al. 2009). The low diversity might signal a small population size, possibly due to the incursions of modern humans into their range (Briggs et al. 2009)."
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    This at the end of the article seems to be more of what I was looking for in terms of the actual impact among humans:
    "The sequence of our close hominin relative also shows us how humans are unique. Researchers found 78 sequence differences that would have affected proteins in which Neanderthals had the ancestral state and modern humans had a newer, derived state. Five genes had more than one sequence change that affected the protein structure. These proteins include SPAG17, which is involved in the movement of sperm, PCD16, which may be involved in wound healing, TTF1, which is involved in ribosomal gene transcription, and RPTN, which is found in the skin, hair and sweat glands. Scientists do not know the function of the CAN15 protein, which was also one of the differences. Other changes may affect regulatory regions in the human sequence. Some changes are in regions that code for microRNA molecules that regulate protein manufacture."​

    Seems to me that the investigation may draw some information to help diabetics and those who have difficulty with healing wounded areas.

    I am not interested in the slightest in some "evolutionary" views. Rather, I was wondering about the psychological and medical aspects.
     
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    Human DNA stays Human DNA because that is how God designed us to procreate.

    Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
    12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

    25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    What outside forces? And what "breading." My wife breads chicken before she fries it, is that what you mean?

    Or, if you mean "breeding" then I have already answered you. Neanderthals were humans. Humans breed with humans. Nothing to mix. Just the human genome and the human genome.
     
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    1. It seems pretty clear and compelling that Neanderthals did indeed exist and elements of their genome are present in our. There is still a good bit of discussion as to how this DNA mixing has occured. Neanderthal are distinct and somewhat far removed from modern man....the most recent being in the neighborhood of 28000 years ago......long before the authorship of scripture.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/are-neanderthals-human.html

    2. Much research is ongoing into the nature of malady's such as autism and the like. It is very reasonable to assume a genetic foundation......but I do not think that the troublesome bits of DNA have yet been identified.

    3. No I do not think scripture directly addresses Neanderthal, or any other relative of humanity. In much the same way I do not believe it addresses dinosaurs or bacteria or viruses, or prions .....et al.
     
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    Depends upon who you ask (Don't ask my wife).

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    http://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/human-neanderthal-similarity-africans-europeans
     
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    I believe that God created humanity through the process of evolutionary mechanisms.
     
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    Do you believe in the actual physical Resurrection of Jesus Christ?
     
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    Yes I do. Is your next question whether I believe in the Flood?.....Yes....but I fall on the side of it be a local or regional event.
    Do you believe man (humanity) has any form of freedom of the will?
     
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    Oh, to further clarify....I do believe that death existed prior to the event we know of as "the Fall".
     
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