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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by revmwc, Jan 19, 2016.

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  1. revmwc

    revmwc Well-Known Member

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    Nothing surprises the God I serve because my God is Omniscient and knows everything about me and He's known it since before The foundation of the world
     
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    Then why do you ask if God was surprised? More of your dishonesty?
     
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    There is nothing in anyone worthy of salvation and I have never said there was
     
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    The only ones who have faith are the ones He regenerates. Again, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A LOST PERSON TO HAVE FAITH!
     
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    I ask because if He doesn't know the moment we will be saved and the moment we place our faith in Him then He knows and always has known the time we would make that decision that is from eternity past and because He is not surprised then He has Predestined us by His knowing us Beforehand
     
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    Every lost person can come to faith I was once lost just as you were but the Holy Spirit drew us to Christ and by Faith and calling upon Him I was saved and God knew that would Happen in eternity past
     
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    'He would know who would have Faith and who would not'? What does this muddled sentence of yours mean?

    Some men have faith, some do not? Explain your sentence why some have Faith and some do not. Where did this Faith come from? Why do some have it, and some not have it according to you?

    Not at all, and there is no Scriptural evidence for this yet you continue to preach and teach something that is not in the Scriptures. Maybe you just preach what you like because it sounds good and you think it makes for good preaching even though you cannot find it in Scripture. Sort of puts you at the helm as god while He watches. Maybe God is your co-pilot.

    He predetermined those whom he would save not based upon anything but His own purpose. You say it is based upon something other than His purpose. Wonder who is right here?
     
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    Who, in this thread, has said or even hinted that God is not All Knowing? Your problem is you have your SELF "making a decision" to place "YOUR" faith in Christ. You seem incapable of dealing with the BIBLE FACT that it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR A LOST PERSON TO HAVE FAITH!
     
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    Salvation is His purpose for all mankind, not all mankind is saved. Many are called but few chosen. Peter makes it clear He would have all to be saved and yet not all are, right? Many reject some accept, God knows all He knows who will accept and who will not, we don't. God has known since before the foundation of the world because of His knowing all things beforehand
     
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    Really then how did you when you were lost get Faith?
     
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    You have it just backwards. God regenerated your lost, dead heart, and gave you faith and enabled you to love and obey Him.

    Once again you claim that a lost person can have faith when the bible is very clear. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A LOST PERSON TO HAVE FAITH.

    1 John 5:1 makes is abundantly clear "Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God."

    "Has been" is a perfect passive verb. Such a verb says that something done to the person in the past is what is responsible for his condition in the present.

    In other words the verse says "Whoever (now) believes (present tense) that Jesus is the Christ (had been, in the past) born or God (which now has created the present state of his being a believer)."
     
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    God regenerated me and gave me faith, repentance, etc.

    1 John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God.
     
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    Why do some reject and others accept. What is the difference in the persons?
     
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    So did God know the moment that would happen?
     
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    How? Where does that faith come from? How can a person have faith in One whom he regards as an enemy?
     
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    Ask and answered, over and over and over again.

    This is why trying to have an honest spiritually edifying discussion is impossible with you. You have been told a half dozen times that God is All Knowing. Yet you keep asking the same question over and over and over again because you cannot honestly answer the questions asked of you, or deal with the scriptures you have been given.
     
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    It is the hardness of ones heart. Many choose to reject. Did the Jewish leaders know Jesua was the Messiah, they chose to reject Him. What about Cain God said he knew what was right but chose not to do it why? Because of the nature in Him and the pride in Him.
     
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    All come who come to Christ by Faith do so upon the drawing of the Holy Spirit, however some are drawn and reject that is resist the drawing. That is probably where the disconnect is Romans 13:2 ...they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
     
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    You were once His enemy yet you came to Faith right?
     
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    Yes, it is clear now. To revmwc and his gospel salvation is a reward, and is rewarded to those who choose.
     
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