OldRegular
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There have always been believers who have dissented from Rome. Denial of this truth is ignorance!
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Baptist are not Protestants
- Thread starter TomLaPalm
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That's why we are Protestant. Not all of those fighting against RCC doctrine came from within the Catholic Church. Take, for example, those Anabaptists who were alongside the Reformers but believed they fell short. I think we are defining Protestant differently.
OldRegular
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The OP clearly indicates what is meant by Protestant!
Yes,
Seems to be "Protestant Reformation"
and in that context, I would wholeheartedly agree that Baptist is not Protestant.
Baptists may have protested, but the Reformers were trying to reform the church they loved dearly.
Ok, I do agree with that definition. We are talking doctrine and not some line or physical kinship. So I see how what makes us Baptist (as opposed to, say Lutherans, Methodists, Anglicans etc.) is not a doctrine the Reformers taught. That distinctiveness existed apart from the RCC. But there are other doctrines that many Baptists hold that are products of the Reformation. In general, Baptists are indebted to both the Reformers and their Radical cousins.
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The Particular Baptists came out of the Reformed churches. As I say, they took the Reformation to a new level by getting rid of infant 'baptism.'
Ecclesia Reformata semper Reformanda.
Do you care to offer more than a one sentence condemnation? Anything specific about the grounds on which you are basing your claim?
Now that, I would think, could take the discussion into a good direction.
Could you give an example of doctrines held by Baptists that are directly attributed to Reformers? And I will just say, certain doctrines thought to be Reformed exclusively could be argued not to be Reformed doctrines, but doctrines which come directly from Scripture. For example, I would not view Total Depravity to be a Reformed doctrine, but a Biblical doctrine. The term, yes, the doctrine, no.
Which brings up a good question (in my view, anyway): I that a good argument? Credible? Meaning, doctrines taught clearly in Scripture which are clearly first century doctrines can't be claimed by a group these distinctives are clearly tied to?
God bless.
I was a former Catholic (yes, redundancy). I AM NOT a protestant. To be a Protestant means you are protesting Rome (at least to me).
I did not and do not protest the Church of Rome. I have separated from it.
To protest against Rome could meant that it has some validity and you are protesting the invalidity.
One must REJECT and SEPARATE from Rome as a heretical church, not protest it.
I do not protest the worship of Mary (ya, I know about the Catholic Orwellian definitions of "worship") but I reject it completely (but not Mary as a saint).
HankD
I did not and do not protest the Church of Rome. I have separated from it.
To protest against Rome could meant that it has some validity and you are protesting the invalidity.
One must REJECT and SEPARATE from Rome as a heretical church, not protest it.
I do not protest the worship of Mary (ya, I know about the Catholic Orwellian definitions of "worship") but I reject it completely (but not Mary as a saint).
HankD
Internet Theologian
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This is a REAL 'I am of ______'! 'Well, I am of ______'!!! circus.
Who baptizes Catholics, Who baptizes Metodists? Who Baptized Jesus?
Sorry one of my favorite jokes
Oh, I see, I...uh...er...still don't get it.
Tom, you should know that being baptized doesn't make one a Baptist, lol.
Any more than being in a garage makes one a car (one of my favorites).
God bless.
Oh, I see, I...uh...er...still don't get it.
Tom, you should know that being baptized doesn't make one a Baptist, lol.
Any more than being in a garage makes one a car (one of my favorites).
God bless.
A Methodist preacher baptizes the Methodist , A Catholic baptizes a Catholic etc, right
Who baptized Jesus, A Baptist, John the Baptist, get it now?
deception is most effective in small doses over a long time.
Do you think the Reformers of the Catholic (do not include Anglican, just a nameplate change) actually left all the errors of the Catholic aside.?
If there was a true line of true Doctrine from Paul's day separate from Rome/ Orthodox, it would have been better at "getting us to Heaven". It would also validate our teaching today and strengthen efforts against error wherever found.
I visited a Methodist Church where Transubstantiation was indicated before taking Communion.
We make a mistake when we try to box all of the various groups into one box. Even for those that adopt a name in their fellowship, there's no guarantee their doctrine even resembles the group they claim to be. Most fellowships will present the doctrine of their leaders, and quite a bit of evolution can go on down through the centuries.
There is a true line of True Doctrine from Paul's day, and it derives straight from the Word of God. If we have maintained what was taught to us by the Writers, and ultimately the Holy Ghost, then we have maintained that Pure Doctrine.
The problem we face is that no one group is going to be correct...on everything. Some are correct on more, but there are going to be issues with any group you want to name.
Salvation remains personal. A person can be a member of a group and not have to dogmatically embrace everything they teach. And that is just normal for a people who still battles the presence, impact, and consequence of sin in our lives. We are still going to see rebellion, and failure to maintain a strict discipline.
God bless.
The devil has attacks within denominations as well as without