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Revelation 17:8

 

Some people think there is a great big pencil that writes those names in the Book of Life and it has a well used eraser on the end of it.

 

Reading that verse it is not clear which is "from the foundation of the world". Is it the Book of Life itself that is being described as having been from the foundation of the world? Or were names written at the foundation of the world?

Give reasons for your answer.

 

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go into perdition. And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, [they] whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast, how that he was, and is not, and shall come.[ASV]

Oh, it's quite clear when and whose names are mentioned in the above verse. The elect's name were recorded in that Book from the creation(foundation) of the world. It was those who Jesus lived a sinless life for, took their sins upon Himself and died for, and resurrected for. It is also they who He intercedes for.

No confusion. That verse is crystal clear.

 

Um, no it's not "crystal clear". What's crystal clear is that names have been written in the Book of Life and the Book of Life is from the foundation of the world.

 

Huh? Here's the KJV's rendering...

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Whose names(whose names? The believers) who were not written in the book of Life from the foundation of the world. Pretty self-explanatory verse. Again, clear as a crystal.

 

It is the book of the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world. Rev 13:8

In 17:8 it is not speaking of those who are written in the book but those who are not written in the book. This book of the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world

 

No. If there were a comma in there, it would be clearer, but still not crystal clear.

whose names were not written in the book of life (comma) from the foundation of the world,

without the comma it is one phrase, the foundation of the world is describing the book of life NOT the names written in it.

 

That is a good point as well.

Yes, Rev 13:8 speaks of the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world, and here it is clear that it is not names or the book that is being described as being from the beginning of the world.

 

Further, I would argue that when Ephesians 1:4:

"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"

The key to understanding this verse is the portion that says "in Him". We have been Chosen "in Him" which means before the foundation of the world God decided that the Lamb would be slain and those who were "in Him" would be Saints and found written in the Lambs book of life. No where does it say we have been individually chosen.

 

Nailed it again, Rev. You are on fire tonight.

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This sounds like a game of hide and seek..... as if we did not have any other verses to understand these things.......Someone, somewhere is chosen,"in Him"....but not any individual at all....yeah right!

How did they get..."in Him"......let's guess......they choose themselves,lol

The lengths people go to avoid the clear truth is astounding.

 

Well I just thought I would give the dog house forum something to talk about.

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Still building your straw men I see. I also notice no rebuttal of what Revmitchell said.

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hardly a strawman....RM has posted an incoherent joke....he never says how these dead men get into Christ???? this post was so foolish, what was to respond to? Maybe you would like to help it out being it is in the realm of fantasy. YOU CAN JUST MAKE IT UP AS YOU GO AS HE HAS
The part I liked was when he said....the KEY TO UNDERSTANDING THE PASSAGE.....LOL.

 

You liked mitchells fantasy....here is some more.....

the church is like a train......the train is elected......but you must put yourself on it... no one is elected, they elect themselves to be on the train.

 

notice there was no scripture....but you do not need it when you go into fantasy.

but if you want truth;

In (1722) (en) means in and in this phrase denotes the object of our faith is Christ, the Source of every spiritual blessing. Saints are "in" Christ and because of this covenantal, inseparable union are partakers of these benefits throughout this life and the life to come.

In the heavenly places is the place where believers receive “every spiritual blessing” because it is where the ascended, exalted Christ is (God "raised Him from the dead, and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places" - Ep 1:20-note), and where believers also are, since they are incorporated “in Him” (God "raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus" - Ep 2:6-note). In contrast to the present earthly realm, which represents experiential reality for the believer, the region designated by "the heavenly places" is the locus of the ascended Christ in His present state of exaltation, a spiritual (not figurative nor metaphorical but very real) reality in which believers currently share by virtue of their participation “in” Him as a result of their by faith entering into the New Covenant in His blood.

This truth of the believer’s present participation “in” Christ is amplified in Ephesians 2:5-6 where Paul uses 3 verbs that have the preposition "sun-" (picturing intimate union) in their prefix (suzoopoieo = "made alive together with Christ", sunegeiro = "raised up with Him" , sugkathizo = "seated with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus"]) which describe the participation of believers with Christ in His resurrection and exaltation. This truth of the believer's present union with Christ is also explained by Paul in the well-known verse Galatians 2:20 (with reference to co-crucifixion). (see in depth discussion)

Spurgeon comments that...

One of the first doctrines of our holy faith is that of the union of all believing souls with Christ. We are blessed with all spiritual blessings in Christ. Apart from Christ we are nothing (cp Jn 15:5); in Christ we have "all spiritual blessings" We are rich as Christ is rich, when we are united to him by the living bond of faith. Another great doctrine of Holy Scripture is that of election. We are blessed in Christ according as the Father "hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world." Why did God choose any unto eternal life? Was it because of any holiness in them then existing, or foreseen to exist? No, by no means; for we read that: "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world,"


John Eadie writes that en Christo, in Christ...


might be viewed as connected with ta epournia (the heavenly), and their position at the end of the verse might warrant such an exegesis. Christ at once creates and includes heaven. But they are better connected with the preceding participle, and in that connection they do not signify, as Chrysostom and Luther suppose, “through Christ” as an external cause of blessing, but “in Him.”...The words are reserved to the last with special emphasis. The apostle writes of blessing—spiritual blessing—all spiritual blessing—all spiritual blessing in the heavenly places; but adds at length the one sphere in which they are enjoyed—in Christ—in living union with the personal Redeemer. God blesses us: if the question be, When? the aorist (aorist tense) solves it; if it be, With what sort of gifts? the ready answer is, “With all spiritual blessings”—en; and if it be, Where? the response is, “In the heavenly places”—en; and if it be, How? the last words show it, “in Christ”—en, the one preposition being used thrice, to point out varied but allied relations. If Christians are blessed, and so blessed with unsparing liberality and universal benefaction in Christ through the Spirit's influence upon them; and if the scenes of such transcendent enjoyment may be named without exaggeration “heavenly places”—may they not deeply and loudly bless the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ? And so the triune operation of the triune God is introduced: the Father Who blesses—the Son, in Whom those blessings are conferred—and the Spirit, by Whose inner work they are enjoyed, and from whom they receive their distinctive epithet. (A commentary on the Greek text - Page 17)

CHS;
We were in Christ in the suretyship engagements of the eternal covenant. What Christ spoke before the world was, he spoke as for us. His prescient eye foresaw our existence, foreknow our ruin. He espoused us unto himself then, and stood, in the Council Chambers of Eternity, the Surety and Sponsor of his people’s souls.

 

You can stop because I'm not going to have a conversation with you. You need an attitude adjustment, big time.

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fact is....you have nothing to say on this or anything else do you? Sure....I need the attitude adjustment when you lie around like a snake in the grass looking to take pot shots at anyone who actually wants to deal with actual scripture and teaching. I do not need "your conversation" as it is not biblical based.

I post some bible based commentary and you sound the retreat like your friend RM. You do that because you can do nothing else.


You and those like you just speak up with anti cal comments but never seem to add to any discussion .
No thanks.... I will pass on that conversation.