Featured The Cross is Useless,Pointless...

...to the non-elect.

If you're not elected to salvation;
1. God has not chosen you
2. Christ never died for youCry
3. The Holy Spirit will never regenerate youFrown
4. You are hopelessly lost
5. You are ready condemned
6. There is zero hope for youEek
7. To you, salvation is 666% inaccessible

But despite all this, Dr. John Piper sees innumerable benefits of the cross to the non-elect

In one sense, as soon as we sin we should be punished eternally. We shouldn't get another breath. There should be no reprieve. There should be no time given to us. So clearly then, in some sense, the time given to us is grace. And grace for a sinner requires some kind of payment or purchase or warrant from a holy God. And Christ would be the one who provides that.

So I'm inclined to say, "Yes, the fact that the non-elect, the unbelievers all over the world are still breathing and have another chance to believe is a gift, just like the offer of the gospel is a gift. And that offer is provided by the cross."

So the first gift is the fact that after sinning the non-elect does not die right away?
Weird, like we're they dying immediately upon sinning before the cross?

And exactly how can those that God has eternally decreed as reprobated be said to have a 'chance to believe'?

 

when did God elect you?

 

You are one in a bunch.

 

I'm quoting Calvinism's definition of non-elect

 

You too sir!

 

Book 3.23

Should you find any or some or all of the points contradicting Calvin and his theories, feel free to quote the volume, page, paragraph and translation

 

Are you sure about this?

I said 'calvinism' not Calvin. So I don't have to quote Calvin works verbatim to prove my point. Whatever Calvin taught and stood for can be summarized in those points I made up there.

Calvin's aberration of predestination is scattered all over his works and it is not possible to quote all of it. But in a nutshell, he believed in double predestination; to life and reprobation, a fact he repeated one too many times.

Look at this quote;
In Latin of you insist
"Praedestinationem vocamus aeternum Dei decretum, quo apud se constitutum habuit, quid de unoquoque homine fieri vellet. Non enim pari conditione creantur omnes; sed aliis vita aeterna, aliis damnatio aeterna praeordinatur. Itaque, prout in alterutrum finem quisque conditus est, ita vel ad vitam, vel ad mortem praedestinatum dicimus.

By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which he determined with himself whatever he wished to happen with regard to every man. All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death
Inst. III. ch. XXI. § 5 (Opera, vol. II. pp. 682, 683).
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes
(Opera was Calvin's biography where he initially mentioned it)


I saw some here strain to imagine a distinction between 'decretive' and 'permissive' will of God. Calvin was categorical that men's eternity was eternally decreed by God.

Let's look at a soul predestined by God's eternal decree to damnation against my points;
1. Has God chosen him? Yes to damnation. So my first point is wrong since I said the non-elect is not chosen. For this I apologize to the board.

2. Did Christ die for him? No because Christ died to save and he is not saved. So I as right unless somebody explain to me how Christ died for those ordained to perish.

3. Can the non-elect be regenerated? Regeneration is for those who are saved. Else explain how spirit filled souls end up in hell

4. Is the non-elect hopelessly lost? Actually that's an understatement. God,according to Calvin, designed him lost!

5. Is the non-elect already condemned? Of course! He was created condemned..son of perdition

6. Is there any hope for the non-elect? Of course there is hope...lots of hope that he will make it to hell just as God eternally decreed

7. Is salvation 666% inaccessible for the non-elect? Actually it is 667% seeing that there is NOTHING that can work against God's eternal decree

Once again, note Calvin was Categorical God is the AUTHOR of ALL;
3:23:6 or Book 3, Chapter 23, paragraph 6

If God merely foresaw human events, and did not arrange and dispose of them as his pleasure, there might be room for agitating the question, how far his foreknowledge amounts to necessity; but since he foresees the things which are to happen, simply because he has decreed that they are to happen, it is vain to debate about prescience, while it is clear that all events take place by his sovereign appointment."

God's foreknowledge of the future stems from His decree of the future. How can a man sentenced to damnation in eternity escape it or be said to be a beneficiary of the Cross?

 

Non-elect are those who according to Calvin God predestined to damnation by His eternal decree as He predestined the rest to eternal life.

My point was and is that if indeed God in eternity by His eternal decree condemned some to damnation, then to such, the cross is meaningless.

I find this doctrine so alien to scriptures not to mention high blasphemy that God 'for His own pleasure and glory' creates hell fodder and then proceeds to punish them precisely for conforming to His will

PS
I by the grace of God have accepted Christ, and He is my Lord and Savior