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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by TCassidy, Jun 8, 2016.

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  1. JonC

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    I am not sure that this is the sense that the doctrine of limited atonement was intended to be taken. Being that in Christ God took on flesh (humanity or the human condition) I think most restrict the question of the scope to mankind. But you are right....in your sense all believe in limited atonement (not all dogs go to Heaven :)).
     
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  2. HankD

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    I disagree with this terminology because both the OT and the NT support the idea that we are made in the image and likeness of God.
     
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  3. TCassidy

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    I agree. But that is, in my opinion, and in the opinion of most Particular Baptists, a false definition. And therein lies the problem. Not having a thorough understanding of the doctrine being argued against results in arguing against a straw man of the opponents own making. :)
     
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  4. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
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    You seem to have missed the point. What part of man, body, soul, or spirit, do you think was not affected by the fall and thus has such spiritual merit that such a man can come to God on that unfallen merit?

    And, again, this is not a debate thread. It is a thread to find common ground. A simple one sentence response is all that is necessary.

    "I disagree with "Total Depravity" because I don't think all of man is fallen. I think his body (or soul or spirit) did not fall with Adam."

    When we get that sort of response I will open another thread to discuss that issue.

    In the meantime I will be deleting posts that are a restatement of the already heard arguments.
     
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  5. HankD

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    OK Tom no debate; I disagree with "Total Depravity" because though I believe man is fallen body, soul and spirit yet he still retains the image of God.
     
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  6. TCassidy

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    I agree with Total Depravity because it does not say that fallen man does not retain the image of God.

    Dort
     
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  7. HankD

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    I disagree with 'irresistible grace" because I believe the elect are first predispositioned to salvation.
     
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  8. TCassidy

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    Uh, we haven't gotten to Irresistible grace yet.

    Okay, Hank, just for you.

    I - Irresistible Grace. Do any disagree?
     
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  9. HankD

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    I disagree with "perseverance" of the saints because there in a minute nuance of possible failure in the word "persevere".
     
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  10. TCassidy

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    Irresistible Grace simply states that no elect person will resist unto perdition.

    So, I agree with Irresistible Grace but also agree with you that the elect are predispositioned to salvation. :)

    So, do we agree to agree? :D
     
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  11. TCassidy

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    Don't get ahead of me. :)
     
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  12. HankD

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    Hey, I'm a stickler for semantics, etymology and nuances of words.
    The BB needs a challenge every now and then :)

    HankD
     
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    I have a very "slight" disagreement with the "sufficient/efficient" type of thinking.
     
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  14. TCassidy

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    Great. Please start another thread to address your concerns.
     
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    In the CvA forum please.
     
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    Can I ask a question here?
    Are the elect elected because they believe or are they elected to believe. I believe the latter. That they are elected and translated from unbelief unto belief, therefore become believers.
     
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    That which predispositioned them to salvation is irresistible.
     
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  18. HankD

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    Good point!

    HankD
     
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  19. TCassidy

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    Sorry. I should have included that. :)
     
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    Please start another thread in the C/A forum to discuss that issue.
     
    #40 TCassidy, Jun 10, 2016
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