Revision Complete - ESV Permanent Text Edition 2016

[Deacon]

So when is revision complete?

ESV Permanent Text Edition (2016) [LINK]
Word Changes (52 Total)
Beginning in the summer of 2016, the text of the ESV Bible will remain unchanged in all future editions printed and published by Crossway—in much the same way that the King James Version (KJV) has remained unchanged ever since the final KJV text was established almost 250 years ago (in 1769). This decision was made unanimously by the Crossway Board of Directors and the ESV Translation Oversight Committee. All future Crossway editions of the ESV, therefore, will contain the Permanent Text of the ESV Bible—unchanged throughout the life of the copyright, in perpetuity.
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Here are a few of the last changes

Genesis 3:16
Permanent Text Verse Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.
Previous Text Verses Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.

Genesis 4:7
Permanent Text Verses Its desire is contrary to you, but you must rule over it.
Previous Text Verses Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it.

2 Kings 20:18
Permanent Text Verse And some of your own sons, who will come from you, whom you will father, shall be taken away,
Previous Text Verses And some of your own sons, who shall be born to you, shall be taken away,

2 Chronicles 6:38
Permanent Text Verse if they repent with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their captivity to which they were carried captive,
Previous Text Verses if they repent with all their mind and with all their heart in the land of their captivity to which they were carried captive,

Luke 24:47
Permanent Text Verse and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Previous Text Verses and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

Ephesians 3:1
Permanent Text Verse For this reason I, Paul, a prisoner of Christ Jesus on behalf of you Gentiles—
Previous Text Verses For this reason I, Paul, a prisoner for Christ Jesus on behalf of you Gentiles—

James 2:10
Permanent Text Verse For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.
Previous Text Verses For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.

 

[Rippon]

They will come to regret their decision. I had thought with their slow incremental revisions that they would gradually be on a par with the NIV. So it will be destined to remain in the also-rans. Pity.

 

[Yeshua1]

They will come to regret their decision. I had thought with their slow incremental revisions that they would gradually be on a par with the NIV. So it will be destined to remain in the also-rans. Pity.

Actually, the ESV is already better to use for serious study of the Bible, or at very least on par with your Niv already!

 

[TCassidy]

Actually, the ESV is already better to use for serious study of the Bible, or at very least on par with your Niv already!

In my opinion the ESV is superior to the NIV. Although I think freezing the text is a mistake.

 

[Yeshua1]

In my opinion the ESV is superior to the NIV. Although I think freezing the text is a mistake.

That goes into the question of just when though should a version been revisited again for revision?My take is when there have been really a significant amount of material to be used that was unable to access before...

Such as when the Kjv translation was done, so much more material available to us today in regards to lexicons, dictionaries, sources etc than what they had to work with!
With the current state of bible research at this time, should be able to 'freeze" any good transation for quite awhile now!

 

[Jerome]

Crossway paid the liberal National Council of Churches a hefty sum to tinker with their Revised Standard Version to produce the ESV. It started with a ten year deal.
Perhaps this means an end to the troubling situation whereby evangelical readers have been unwittingly bankrolling the NCC.

 

[Van]

I think the ESV folks just gave up, it was so flawed, so they decided to come out with something better with a new name. Time will tell.

 

[McCree79]

In my opinion the ESV is superior to the NIV. Although I think freezing the text is a mistake.

Agreed. The ESV is based upon a text that is not frozen. Makes no sense to freeze the translation.

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[Yeshua1]

Agreed. The ESV is based upon a text that is not frozen. Makes no sense to freeze the translation.

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Except is there really any justification to keep on revising eberything a new edition of the greek text comes out?

 

[McCree79]

Except is there really any justification to keep on revising eberything a new edition of the greek text comes out?

Perhaps not every time, but if the translators believe that the CT is reconstructing the original readings and if the updates bring it closer. Then a translation team should leave their translation "unfrozen" so they can go with the reading that has the strongest support. If the ESV was based on the MT or TR they would have better justification with freezing to.

The ESV is my primary text. I'm not trashing the translation. I just see nothing gained by the move.

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[Yeshua1]

Perhaps not every time, but if the translators believe that the CT is reconstructing the original readings and if the updates bring it closer. Then a translation team should leave their translation "unfrozen" so they can go with the reading that has the strongest support. If the ESV was based on the MT or TR they would have better justification with freezing to.

The ESV is my primary text. I'm not trashing the translation. I just see nothing gained by the move.

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Think that we agree here , its just that there seems to be balance between too much or too little revising!

 

[Rippon]

if the translators believe that the CT is reconstructing the original readings and if the updates bring it closer.

That's not the only factor. The most egregious aspect of the ESV has been its poor English. It's little better than the NKJV in that regard.

 

[McCree79]

That's not the only factor. The most egregious aspect of the ESV has been its poor English. It's little better than the NKJV in that regard.

I wasn't trying to claim it was the only factor. To me it is the biggest factor though. As far as the English goes.....I be no issue with the NKJV either. I find it to be a good translation. Outside of D.A. Carson's new Zondervan Study Bible I bought, I have only bought NKJV, ESV, and NASB Bibles in the last couple of years. I have no issue with the English they use.

I have downloaded other translations digitally from Olive Tree, but they were free.

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[Rippon]

As far as the English goes.....I be no issue with the NKJV either. I have no issue with the English they use.

"I be no issue with the NKJV either." LOL. Did you say that intentionally?

 

[McCree79]

"I be no issue with the NKJV either." LOL. Did you say that intentionally?

No....that be spell check that got me. Typing from a cell phone. Hahaha

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[Rippon]

No....that be spell check that got me. Typing from a cell phone. Hahaha

I was gonna' say...even the ESV and NLKJ don't mess up the English THAT bad!

 

[McCree79]

I was gonna' say...even the ESV and NLKJ don't mess up the English THAT bad!

NLKJ???? We should just stop typing hahahaha

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[Rippon]

NLKJ???? We should just stop typing hahahaha

LOL! The New Living King James Version.

 

[Yeshua1]

That's not the only factor. The most egregious aspect of the ESV has been its poor English. It's little better than the NKJV in that regard.

Isn't it better though to me more accrate to what the original texts intended/meant for us to have from God, with some troubling wordings at times, to having a really easy to read translation that might miss the mark at times?

 

[Van]

Maybe the NESV will be based on the NRSV. Time will tell. Or the RESV will be based MT. In any event perhaps it is the love of money that drives the idea of freezing a version so a new version must be bought.
Sort of the the NIV folks refusing to resupply the older NIV.